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From: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
To: Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com>
Cc: Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com>,
	Rajaram R <rajaram.officemail@gmail.com>,
	Felipe Balbi <felipe.balbi@linux.intel.com>,
	Heikki Krogerus <heikki.krogerus@linux.intel.com>,
	Mathias Nyman <mathias.nyman@linux.intel.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCHv2] usb: USB Type-C Connector Class
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 09:52:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160523165212.GA5964@roeck-us.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1464018904.12181.62.camel@suse.com>

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 05:55:04PM +0200, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 07:43 -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> > On 05/23/2016 06:58 AM, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> 
> > > Now I am confused. Are you saying that the choice of Alternate Mode does
> > > not belong into user space?
> > >
> > 
> > No; sorry for the confusion. The above was meant to apply to my use
> > of "preferred mode", not yours. I was trying to say that the choice of
> > preferred roles (which determines if Try.SRC or Try.SNK is enabled)
> > should belong primarily into the kernel, to be determined by the platform
> > (presumably via ACPI, devicetree data, or platform data). If it should
> 
> Why on earth? That is most clearly a policy decision.
> 

The question is not that much if it is policy (it is), but if the policy
should be driven by the platform or by user space. I think there needs
to be at least a default driven by the platform. As already mentioned,
I am ok with a means to override this platform default from user space.
But if user space doesn't say, there still needs to be a default.

Thanks,
Guenter

> > be possible to override it by user space is a different question. That
> > might be useful, at least for testing. If so, does such an override
> > belong into the class or into the PD driver ? Good question. I am fine
> > either way.
> 
> Well, if platform data has a default, I suppose we ought to use it.
> 
> > I don't really have a strong opinion about alternate mode selection. I would
> > think that there should be a kernel (platform) default, possibly determined
> > by the alternate mode itself, but I also think that it should be selectable
> > by user space. Question is if that should be done through the alternate mode
> > driver or through the class (example: alternate modes used for firmware
> 
> I would say that the ought to be a driver for type C which controls
> alternate modes and roles.
> 
> 	Regards
> 		Oliver
> 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-23 16:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-19 12:44 [RFC PATCHv2] usb: USB Type-C Connector Class Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-19 14:47 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-20 11:24   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-20 13:37     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-21  5:51       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-21  6:43         ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-22 15:54           ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-23  5:34             ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-23 13:27               ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-23 13:58                 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-23 14:43                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-23 15:55                     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-23 16:52                       ` Guenter Roeck [this message]
2016-05-24 10:08                         ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-24 10:18                           ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-24 11:04                             ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-19 14:48 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-19 15:43   ` Greg KH
2016-05-20 10:58     ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-19 17:53 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-20 10:47   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-20 17:02     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-23  9:23       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-20 14:19 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-23  9:57   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-23 11:25     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-23 17:09       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-24  9:06         ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-24  9:32       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-24 12:51 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-25 11:28   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-25 15:19     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-27  7:30       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-24 13:42 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-25 11:30   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-25 13:12     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-24 19:28 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-25 11:51   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-25 13:21     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-25 14:04       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-25 14:20         ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-25 14:59           ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-27  7:29             ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-25 18:35 ` [RFC PATCH] usb: typec: Various API updates and fixes Guenter Roeck
2016-05-27  7:55   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-27 14:06     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-05-30 12:48       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-30 13:19 ` [RFC PATCHv2] usb: USB Type-C Connector Class Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-30 13:59   ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-31  8:31     ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-31  8:48       ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-31 12:09         ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-31 12:43           ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-05-31 17:20             ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-01  8:23               ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-01  8:31                 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-01  9:04                 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-01 13:34                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-02  6:24                     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-02  6:37                       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-02  7:43                         ` Oliver Neukum
2016-05-31 17:14       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-01  9:26 ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-01 23:29   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-02  6:30     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-02  8:27       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-02 10:18     ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-02 16:12       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-03 13:21         ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-03 13:51           ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-03 15:17             ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-03 18:39               ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-06 13:28                 ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-06 13:35                   ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-07  8:23                     ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-07 16:57                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-02  8:02   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-03 20:20 ` Pavel Machek
2016-06-06 13:45   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-06 14:41     ` Greg KH
2016-06-07  8:25       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-06 16:02     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-10 14:34 ` [RFC PATCHv3] " Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-11  7:05   ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-11 18:03     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-13  7:49       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-13  7:48     ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-21 13:08 ` [RFC PATCHv2] " Oliver Neukum
2016-06-21 13:24   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-21 19:43     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-21 21:37       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-06-21 13:58   ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-21 20:43     ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-22  9:31       ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-06-22 10:08         ` Oliver Neukum
2016-06-22 11:19           ` Heikki Krogerus
2016-08-07 21:37           ` Pavel Machek
2016-08-08  8:52             ` Oliver Neukum

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