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From: Maxime Ripard <maxime.ripard-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
To: Michal Suchanek <hramrach-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Mark Brown <broonie-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven
	<geert-Td1EMuHUCqxL1ZNQvxDV9g@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-sunxi <linux-sunxi-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org>,
	Chen-Yu Tsai <wens-jdAy2FN1RRM@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-spi <linux-spi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] RFC spi: sun4i: add DMA support
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 10:18:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160602081824.GH4908@lukather> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOMqctSWnbUaOveMUhz+yOJqTOK4EhDd5jUqKoHCohfndNAjWA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

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On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 04:19:28PM +0200, Michal Suchanek wrote:
> On 31 May 2016 at 15:27, Mark Brown <broonie-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:44:54PM +0200, Michal Suchanek wrote:
> >> On 30 May 2016 at 17:50, Mark Brown <broonie-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >> > On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 05:28:10PM +0200, Michal Suchanek wrote:
> >
> >> >> It's what the driver did to start with and it was requested to fall
> >> >> back to non-DMA in the case DMA is not available.
> >
> >> > Why?  I really can't see any sensible use case for this that doesn't
> >> > have a better solution available.
> >
> >> Of course, the solution is to compile in the DMA driver.
> >
> >> It's been argued that some drivers which use only short transfers will
> >> just work.
> >
> > With nothing else in the system that needs DMA?  It's making the
> > performance of the system less reliable for the benefit of a very narrow
> > use case.
> 
> Some of the platform devices have dedicated DMA *controller* built
> into the device IP so the DMA engine really is optional on many sunxi
> devices. Besides SPI you definitely need the DMA engine for audio. You
> probably don't need it for storage and graphics. I don't have any idea
> if it's used for USB and Ethernet.

USB and Ethernet have their own dedicated DMA engines. So currently,
the only driver that requires it is the audio codec.

Maxime

-- 
Maxime Ripard, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux, Kernel and Android engineering
http://free-electrons.com

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From: maxime.ripard@free-electrons.com (Maxime Ripard)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 5/5] RFC spi: sun4i: add DMA support
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 10:18:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160602081824.GH4908@lukather> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOMqctSWnbUaOveMUhz+yOJqTOK4EhDd5jUqKoHCohfndNAjWA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 04:19:28PM +0200, Michal Suchanek wrote:
> On 31 May 2016 at 15:27, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:44:54PM +0200, Michal Suchanek wrote:
> >> On 30 May 2016 at 17:50, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> wrote:
> >> > On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 05:28:10PM +0200, Michal Suchanek wrote:
> >
> >> >> It's what the driver did to start with and it was requested to fall
> >> >> back to non-DMA in the case DMA is not available.
> >
> >> > Why?  I really can't see any sensible use case for this that doesn't
> >> > have a better solution available.
> >
> >> Of course, the solution is to compile in the DMA driver.
> >
> >> It's been argued that some drivers which use only short transfers will
> >> just work.
> >
> > With nothing else in the system that needs DMA?  It's making the
> > performance of the system less reliable for the benefit of a very narrow
> > use case.
> 
> Some of the platform devices have dedicated DMA *controller* built
> into the device IP so the DMA engine really is optional on many sunxi
> devices. Besides SPI you definitely need the DMA engine for audio. You
> probably don't need it for storage and graphics. I don't have any idea
> if it's used for USB and Ethernet.

USB and Ethernet have their own dedicated DMA engines. So currently,
the only driver that requires it is the audio codec.

Maxime

-- 
Maxime Ripard, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux, Kernel and Android engineering
http://free-electrons.com
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From: Maxime Ripard <maxime.ripard@free-electrons.com>
To: Michal Suchanek <hramrach@gmail.com>
Cc: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	linux-sunxi <linux-sunxi@googlegroups.com>,
	Chen-Yu Tsai <wens@csie.org>,
	linux-spi <linux-spi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] RFC spi: sun4i: add DMA support
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 10:18:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160602081824.GH4908@lukather> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOMqctSWnbUaOveMUhz+yOJqTOK4EhDd5jUqKoHCohfndNAjWA@mail.gmail.com>

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On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 04:19:28PM +0200, Michal Suchanek wrote:
> On 31 May 2016 at 15:27, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:44:54PM +0200, Michal Suchanek wrote:
> >> On 30 May 2016 at 17:50, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> wrote:
> >> > On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 05:28:10PM +0200, Michal Suchanek wrote:
> >
> >> >> It's what the driver did to start with and it was requested to fall
> >> >> back to non-DMA in the case DMA is not available.
> >
> >> > Why?  I really can't see any sensible use case for this that doesn't
> >> > have a better solution available.
> >
> >> Of course, the solution is to compile in the DMA driver.
> >
> >> It's been argued that some drivers which use only short transfers will
> >> just work.
> >
> > With nothing else in the system that needs DMA?  It's making the
> > performance of the system less reliable for the benefit of a very narrow
> > use case.
> 
> Some of the platform devices have dedicated DMA *controller* built
> into the device IP so the DMA engine really is optional on many sunxi
> devices. Besides SPI you definitely need the DMA engine for audio. You
> probably don't need it for storage and graphics. I don't have any idea
> if it's used for USB and Ethernet.

USB and Ethernet have their own dedicated DMA engines. So currently,
the only driver that requires it is the audio codec.

Maxime

-- 
Maxime Ripard, Free Electrons
Embedded Linux, Kernel and Android engineering
http://free-electrons.com

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-06-02  8:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-24 22:56 [PATCH 0/5] sunxi spi fixes Michal Suchanek
2016-05-24 22:56 ` Michal Suchanek
     [not found] ` <cover.1464130597.git.hramrach-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-26 19:25   ` [PATCH 1/5] spi: sunxi: fix transfer timeout Michal Suchanek
2016-05-26 19:25     ` Michal Suchanek
     [not found]     ` <cb90b922caa6ac07c1425d726ea19709ee5284f4.1464130597.git.hramrach-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-27  2:05       ` [linux-sunxi] " Julian Calaby
2016-05-27  2:05         ` Julian Calaby
2016-05-27  2:05         ` Julian Calaby
     [not found]         ` <CAGRGNgWDrVHG26umTSHHAxFC3KXjwmpDejBAfKqvuik0_2-Jcw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-27  5:05           ` Michal Suchanek
2016-05-27  5:05             ` [linux-sunxi] " Michal Suchanek
2016-05-27  5:05             ` Michal Suchanek
     [not found]             ` <CAOMqctS0AD6rHGt3wjxxyidee=_5xqby95t5TGuozAA12DdPjQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-27  5:10               ` Julian Calaby
2016-05-27  5:10                 ` [linux-sunxi] " Julian Calaby
2016-05-27  5:10                 ` Julian Calaby
     [not found]                 ` <CAGRGNgW=UnmwwiREV+nVcws6sk18-4fKz3qf-WKf4LY9-VqBKg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-30 11:23                   ` Mark Brown
2016-05-30 11:23                     ` Mark Brown
2016-05-30 11:23                     ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                     ` <20160530112350.GI29837-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-31 11:52                       ` Michal Suchanek
2016-05-31 11:52                         ` [linux-sunxi] " Michal Suchanek
2016-05-31 11:52                         ` Michal Suchanek
2016-06-01 18:20                       ` Maxime Ripard
2016-06-01 18:20                         ` Maxime Ripard
2016-06-01 18:20                         ` Maxime Ripard
2016-05-30  9:44       ` Maxime Ripard
2016-05-30  9:44         ` Maxime Ripard
2016-05-30  9:44         ` Maxime Ripard
2016-05-26 19:25   ` [PATCH 2/5] spi: sun4i: fix FIFO limit Michal Suchanek
2016-05-26 19:25     ` Michal Suchanek
     [not found]     ` <e315008b5e9dc3f1490507508fd2f6e94767dfbb.1464130597.git.hramrach-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-30  8:37       ` Maxime Ripard
2016-05-30  8:37         ` Maxime Ripard
2016-05-30  8:37         ` Maxime Ripard
2016-05-26 19:25   ` [PATCH 3/5] spi: sunxi: expose maximum transfer size limit Michal Suchanek
2016-05-26 19:25     ` Michal Suchanek
     [not found]     ` <5fffb7eca6f4b70853d92be2403595d6d06bede7.1464130597.git.hramrach-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-30  8:37       ` Maxime Ripard
2016-05-30  8:37         ` Maxime Ripard
2016-05-30  8:37         ` Maxime Ripard
2016-05-30  8:57         ` Michal Suchanek
2016-05-30  8:57           ` Michal Suchanek
2016-05-30  8:57           ` Michal Suchanek
     [not found]           ` <CAOMqctQdbipvvTnF253S4jGDos1crYXk9nuzDcRvy4geeS=GrQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-01 18:14             ` Maxime Ripard
2016-06-01 18:14               ` Maxime Ripard
2016-06-01 18:14               ` Maxime Ripard
2016-05-26 19:25   ` [PATCH 4/5] spi: sunxi: set maximum and minimum speed of SPI master Michal Suchanek
2016-05-26 19:25     ` Michal Suchanek
2016-05-30  9:17     ` Maxime Ripard
2016-05-30  9:17       ` Maxime Ripard
2016-05-26 19:25   ` [PATCH 5/5] RFC spi: sun4i: add DMA support Michal Suchanek
2016-05-26 19:25     ` Michal Suchanek
     [not found]     ` <ba0d6eb37cc4b0d2c46acbf9fcd7d644b3545ce8.1464130597.git.hramrach-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-30 11:26       ` Mark Brown
2016-05-30 11:26         ` Mark Brown
2016-05-30 11:26         ` Mark Brown
     [not found]         ` <20160530112610.GJ29837-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-30 12:11           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-05-30 12:11             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-05-30 12:11             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
     [not found]             ` <CAMuHMdVThvtqgFnyqoqypwwf1d81uu9NBo6-heTZBcvBxRevNw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-30 15:03               ` Mark Brown
2016-05-30 15:03                 ` Mark Brown
2016-05-30 15:03                 ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                 ` <20160530150343.GL29837-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-30 15:28                   ` Michal Suchanek
2016-05-30 15:28                     ` Michal Suchanek
2016-05-30 15:28                     ` Michal Suchanek
     [not found]                     ` <CAOMqctQb-YYprA7H5qCcYo2hxXiUhjW2z3JbZ3-FhbfcjFzBpw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-30 15:50                       ` Mark Brown
2016-05-30 15:50                         ` Mark Brown
2016-05-30 15:50                         ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                         ` <20160530155016.GO29837-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-31 10:44                           ` Michal Suchanek
2016-05-31 10:44                             ` Michal Suchanek
2016-05-31 10:44                             ` Michal Suchanek
     [not found]                             ` <CAOMqctQijjO2amwSmSMGp96KBRGrLb0fvXRwnybOEqvV3-HZ0g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-31 13:27                               ` Mark Brown
2016-05-31 13:27                                 ` Mark Brown
2016-05-31 13:27                                 ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                                 ` <20160531132706.GC29837-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2016-05-31 14:19                                   ` Michal Suchanek
2016-05-31 14:19                                     ` Michal Suchanek
2016-05-31 14:19                                     ` Michal Suchanek
     [not found]                                     ` <CAOMqctSWnbUaOveMUhz+yOJqTOK4EhDd5jUqKoHCohfndNAjWA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-02  8:18                                       ` Maxime Ripard [this message]
2016-06-02  8:18                                         ` Maxime Ripard
2016-06-02  8:18                                         ` Maxime Ripard
2016-06-01 18:00                           ` Maxime Ripard
2016-06-01 18:00                             ` Maxime Ripard
2016-06-01 18:00                             ` Maxime Ripard
2016-06-02  4:42                             ` Priit Laes
2016-06-02  4:42                               ` [linux-sunxi] " Priit Laes
2016-06-02  4:42                               ` Priit Laes
     [not found]                               ` <1464842546.23881.3.camel-q/aMd4JkU83YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-02  9:18                                 ` Mark Brown
2016-06-02  9:18                                   ` [linux-sunxi] " Mark Brown
2016-06-02  9:18                                   ` Mark Brown
2016-06-02 12:14                                 ` Michal Suchanek
2016-06-02 12:14                                   ` Michal Suchanek
2016-06-02 12:14                                   ` Michal Suchanek
     [not found]                                   ` <CAOMqctRMi8Zuwqvakka8LkgvecWVAfzUcER9+ui9WBYS78fWtQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-02 14:26                                     ` Mark Brown
2016-06-02 14:26                                       ` [linux-sunxi] " Mark Brown
2016-06-02 14:26                                       ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                                       ` <20160602142649.GJ2282-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-05 11:27                                         ` Michal Suchanek
2016-06-05 11:27                                           ` [linux-sunxi] " Michal Suchanek
2016-06-05 11:27                                           ` Michal Suchanek
     [not found]                                           ` <CAOMqctQwFif=yFF1snfZJc7+sGS7wcC-6oNTCfjW_MSUWHw+xQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-06 11:36                                             ` Mark Brown
2016-06-06 11:36                                               ` [linux-sunxi] " Mark Brown
2016-06-06 11:36                                               ` Mark Brown

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