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From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: peter.maydell@linaro.org, Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>,
	ehabkost@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, agraf@suse.de,
	qemu-arm@nongnu.org, qemu-ppc@nongnu.org, dgibson@redhat.com,
	imammedo@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-arm] [PATCH RFC 06/16] vl: move smp parsing to machine pre_init
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 10:43:17 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160615004317.GS4882@voom.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <60ee196d-0292-3fb4-5d59-68c2d742eaa4@redhat.com>

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On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:17:49AM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> 
> 
> On 13/06/2016 22:35, Andrew Jones wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 07:04:01PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> >> On 10/06/2016 19:40, Andrew Jones wrote:
> >>> +    if (sockets == -1 || cores == -1 || threads == -1 ||
> >>> +        maxcpus == -1 || cpus == -1) {
> >>> +        error_report("cpu topology: "
> >>> +                     "all machine properties must be specified");
> >>> +        exit(1);
> >>> +    }
> >>> +
> >>
> >> I think it's sane to accept some defaults.  It must not be the DWIM
> >> thing that -smp does (which is targeted to Windows's dislike of
> >> multi-socket machine on consumer hardware).  It must be something that
> >> makes sense, and my proposal is:
> >>
> >> - threads: 1
> >> - cores: 1
> >> - sockets:
> >>   - maxcpus / (cores * threads) if maxcpus given
> >>   - cpus / (cores * threads) if cpus given
> >>   - else 1
> >> - maxcpus: cores * threads * sockets
> >> - cpus: maxcpus
> > 
> > I think some machines may prefer
> > 
> > - threads: 1
> > - sockets: 1
> > - cores:
> >   - maxcpus / (sockets * threads) if maxcpus given
> >   - cpus / (sockets * threads) if cpus given
> >   - else 1
> 
> smp_cores is only used by pseries and x86 machines.  I expect machines
> that must be single-socket to disregard smp_sockets altogether.

Note that on pseries (as a purely paravirt platform), the distinction
between cores and sockets is basically meaningless - there is no
important difference between a threads=4,cores=4,sockets=1 machine and
a threads=4,cores=1,sockets=4 machine.s

-- 
David Gibson			| I'll have my music baroque, and my code
david AT gibson.dropbear.id.au	| minimalist, thank you.  NOT _the_ _other_
				| _way_ _around_!
http://www.ozlabs.org/~dgibson

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From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>,
	peter.maydell@linaro.org, ehabkost@redhat.com, agraf@suse.de,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-arm@nongnu.org, qemu-ppc@nongnu.org,
	imammedo@redhat.com, dgibson@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 06/16] vl: move smp parsing to machine pre_init
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 10:43:17 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160615004317.GS4882@voom.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <60ee196d-0292-3fb4-5d59-68c2d742eaa4@redhat.com>

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On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:17:49AM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> 
> 
> On 13/06/2016 22:35, Andrew Jones wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 07:04:01PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> >> On 10/06/2016 19:40, Andrew Jones wrote:
> >>> +    if (sockets == -1 || cores == -1 || threads == -1 ||
> >>> +        maxcpus == -1 || cpus == -1) {
> >>> +        error_report("cpu topology: "
> >>> +                     "all machine properties must be specified");
> >>> +        exit(1);
> >>> +    }
> >>> +
> >>
> >> I think it's sane to accept some defaults.  It must not be the DWIM
> >> thing that -smp does (which is targeted to Windows's dislike of
> >> multi-socket machine on consumer hardware).  It must be something that
> >> makes sense, and my proposal is:
> >>
> >> - threads: 1
> >> - cores: 1
> >> - sockets:
> >>   - maxcpus / (cores * threads) if maxcpus given
> >>   - cpus / (cores * threads) if cpus given
> >>   - else 1
> >> - maxcpus: cores * threads * sockets
> >> - cpus: maxcpus
> > 
> > I think some machines may prefer
> > 
> > - threads: 1
> > - sockets: 1
> > - cores:
> >   - maxcpus / (sockets * threads) if maxcpus given
> >   - cpus / (sockets * threads) if cpus given
> >   - else 1
> 
> smp_cores is only used by pseries and x86 machines.  I expect machines
> that must be single-socket to disregard smp_sockets altogether.

Note that on pseries (as a purely paravirt platform), the distinction
between cores and sockets is basically meaningless - there is no
important difference between a threads=4,cores=4,sockets=1 machine and
a threads=4,cores=1,sockets=4 machine.s

-- 
David Gibson			| I'll have my music baroque, and my code
david AT gibson.dropbear.id.au	| minimalist, thank you.  NOT _the_ _other_
				| _way_ _around_!
http://www.ozlabs.org/~dgibson

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-06-15  0:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-10 17:40 [Qemu-arm] [PATCH RFC 00/16] Rework SMP parameters Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40 ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40 ` [Qemu-arm] [PATCH RFC 01/16] vl: smp_parse: cleanups Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-14  1:15   ` [Qemu-arm] " David Gibson
2016-06-14  1:15     ` [Qemu-devel] " David Gibson
2016-06-10 17:40 ` [Qemu-arm] [PATCH RFC 02/16] vl: smp: add checks for maxcpus based topologies Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-14  1:28   ` [Qemu-arm] " David Gibson
2016-06-14  1:28     ` [Qemu-devel] " David Gibson
2016-06-14  6:43     ` [Qemu-arm] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-14  6:43       ` Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40 ` [Qemu-arm] [PATCH RFC 03/16] hw/smbios/smbios: fix number of sockets calculation Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2016-07-11 14:23   ` [Qemu-arm] " Igor Mammedov
2016-07-11 14:23     ` [Qemu-devel] " Igor Mammedov
2016-06-10 17:40 ` [Qemu-arm] [PATCH RFC 04/16] hw/core/machine: Introduce pre_init Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-14  1:30   ` [Qemu-arm] " David Gibson
2016-06-14  1:30     ` [Qemu-devel] " David Gibson
2016-06-14  5:58     ` [Qemu-arm] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-14  5:58       ` Andrew Jones
2016-07-14 20:10       ` [Qemu-arm] " Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-14 20:10         ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-15  6:26         ` [Qemu-arm] " Andrew Jones
2016-07-15  6:26           ` Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40 ` [Qemu-arm] [PATCH RFC 05/16] hw/core/machine: add smp properites Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-14  2:00   ` [Qemu-arm] " David Gibson
2016-06-14  2:00     ` [Qemu-devel] " David Gibson
2016-06-14  6:08     ` [Qemu-arm] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-14  6:08       ` Andrew Jones
2016-06-15  0:37       ` [Qemu-arm] " David Gibson
2016-06-15  0:37         ` David Gibson
2016-06-15  7:11         ` [Qemu-arm] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-15  7:11           ` Andrew Jones
2016-07-14 20:18           ` [Qemu-arm] " Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-14 20:18             ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-15  6:29             ` [Qemu-arm] " Andrew Jones
2016-07-15  6:29               ` Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40 ` [Qemu-arm] [PATCH RFC 06/16] vl: move smp parsing to machine pre_init Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-13 17:04   ` [Qemu-arm] " Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-13 17:04     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-13 20:35     ` [Qemu-arm] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-13 20:35       ` Andrew Jones
2016-06-14  8:17       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-14  8:17         ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-14 11:39         ` [Qemu-arm] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-14 11:39           ` Andrew Jones
2016-06-14 11:53           ` [Qemu-arm] " Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-14 11:53             ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-14 14:03             ` Andrew Jones
2016-06-14 14:03               ` Andrew Jones
2016-06-14 14:05               ` [Qemu-arm] " Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-14 14:05                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-15  0:51               ` [Qemu-arm] " David Gibson
2016-06-15  0:51                 ` David Gibson
2016-06-15  7:19                 ` [Qemu-arm] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-15  7:19                   ` Andrew Jones
2016-06-15  0:43         ` David Gibson [this message]
2016-06-15  0:43           ` David Gibson
2016-06-10 17:40 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 07/16] qom/cpu: make nr-cores, nr-threads real properties Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40   ` Andrew Jones
2016-06-11  6:54   ` [Qemu-arm] " Thomas Huth
2016-06-11  6:54     ` Thomas Huth
2016-06-12 13:48     ` [Qemu-arm] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-12 13:48       ` Andrew Jones
2016-06-14  2:12       ` [Qemu-arm] " David Gibson
2016-06-14  2:12         ` David Gibson
2016-06-14  6:19         ` [Qemu-arm] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-14  6:19           ` Andrew Jones
2016-06-15  0:56           ` [Qemu-arm] " David Gibson
2016-06-15  0:56             ` David Gibson
2016-07-14 20:07             ` [Qemu-arm] " Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-14 20:07               ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-15  6:35               ` [Qemu-arm] " Andrew Jones
2016-07-15  6:35                 ` Andrew Jones
2016-07-15  9:11                 ` [Qemu-arm] " Igor Mammedov
2016-07-15  9:11                   ` Igor Mammedov
2016-07-15 16:10                   ` [Qemu-devel] QOM: best way for parents to pass information to children? (was Re: [PATCH RFC 07/16] qom/cpu: make nr-cores, nr-threads real properties) Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-15 16:10                     ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-15 16:10                     ` [Qemu-arm] QOM: best way for parents to pass information to children? (was Re: [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-15 16:30                     ` [Qemu-devel] QOM: best way for parents to pass information to children? (was " Andreas Färber
2016-07-15 16:30                       ` Andreas Färber
2016-07-15 16:30                       ` [Qemu-arm] QOM: best way for parents to pass information to children? (was Re: [Qemu-devel] " Andreas Färber
2016-07-15 17:43                       ` [Qemu-devel] QOM: best way for parents to pass information to children? (was " Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-15 17:43                         ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-15 17:43                         ` [Qemu-arm] QOM: best way for parents to pass information to children? (was Re: [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-15 18:38                         ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-devel] QOM: best way for parents to pass information to children? (was " Igor Mammedov
2016-07-15 18:38                           ` Igor Mammedov
2016-07-15 21:33                           ` [Qemu-arm] " Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-15 21:33                             ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-16 15:30                             ` [Qemu-arm] " Andrew Jones
2016-07-16 15:30                               ` Andrew Jones
2016-07-19 11:54                               ` [Qemu-arm] " Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-19 11:54                                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-18  7:23                             ` [Qemu-arm] " Igor Mammedov
2016-07-18  7:23                               ` Igor Mammedov
2016-07-19 11:59                               ` [Qemu-arm] " Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-19 11:59                                 ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-19 12:21                                 ` [Qemu-arm] " Paolo Bonzini
2016-07-19 12:21                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-07-19 13:29                                   ` [Qemu-arm] " Igor Mammedov
2016-07-19 13:29                                     ` Igor Mammedov
2016-07-19 13:39                                     ` [Qemu-arm] " Paolo Bonzini
2016-07-19 13:39                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-06-10 17:40 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 08/16] hw/core/machine: set cpu global nr_cores, nr_threads in pre_init Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40   ` Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40 ` [Qemu-arm] [PATCH RFC 09/16] hw/i386/pc: don't use smp_cores, smp_threads Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2016-07-14 20:33   ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-14 20:33     ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-06-10 17:40 ` [Qemu-arm] [PATCH RFC 10/16] hw/ppc/spapr: " Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-14  3:03   ` [Qemu-arm] " David Gibson
2016-06-14  3:03     ` [Qemu-devel] " David Gibson
2016-06-14  6:23     ` [Qemu-arm] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-14  6:23       ` Andrew Jones
2016-06-15  0:59       ` [Qemu-arm] " David Gibson
2016-06-15  0:59         ` David Gibson
2016-06-15  7:34         ` [Qemu-arm] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-15  7:34           ` Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40 ` [Qemu-arm] [PATCH RFC 11/16] target-ppc: don't use smp_threads Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 12/16] hw/arm/virt: rename *.smp_cpus to *.cpus Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40   ` Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40 ` [Qemu-arm] [PATCH RFC 13/16] hw/arm/virt: don't use smp_cpus, max_cpus Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40 ` [Qemu-arm] [PATCH RFC 14/16] hw/arm/virt: stash cpu topo info in VirtGuestInfo Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2016-07-14 20:43   ` [Qemu-arm] " Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-14 20:43     ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-15  6:40     ` [Qemu-arm] " Andrew Jones
2016-07-15  6:40       ` Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 15/16] smbios: don't use smp_cores, smp_threads Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40   ` Andrew Jones
2016-07-14 20:51   ` [Qemu-arm] " Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-14 20:51     ` Eduardo Habkost
2016-07-15  6:45     ` [Qemu-arm] " Andrew Jones
2016-07-15  6:45       ` Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40 ` [Qemu-arm] [PATCH RFC 16/16] sysemu/cpus: bye, bye " Andrew Jones
2016-06-10 17:40   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-11  6:42 ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 00/16] Rework SMP parameters Thomas Huth
2016-06-11  6:42   ` Thomas Huth
2016-06-12 13:58   ` [Qemu-arm] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-12 13:58     ` Andrew Jones
2016-06-12 14:03 ` [Qemu-arm] " Andrew Jones
2016-06-12 14:03   ` Andrew Jones
2016-07-14  9:16 ` [Qemu-arm] " Andrew Jones
2016-07-14  9:16   ` Andrew Jones

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