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From: Ebru Akagunduz <ebru.akagunduz@gmail.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>, mhocko@suse.cz, linux-mm@kvack.org
Cc: hughd@google.com, riel@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com, n-horiguchi@ah.jp.nec.com,
	aarcange@redhat.com, iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com, gorcunov@openvz.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mgorman@suse.de,
	rientjes@google.com, vbabka@suse.cz,
	aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
	boaz@plexistor.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/3] mm, thp: convert from optimistic to conservative
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 12:08:20 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160616090819.GA18977@gezgin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160615064053.GH17127@bbox>

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 03:40:53PM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:16:00PM +0300, Ebru Akagunduz wrote:
> > Currently, khugepaged collapses pages saying only
> > a referenced page enough to create a THP.
> > 
> > This patch changes the design from optimistic to conservative.
> > It gives a default threshold which is half of HPAGE_PMD_NR
> > for referenced pages, also introduces a new sysfs knob.
> 
> Strictly speaking, It's not what I suggested.
> 
> I didn't mean that let's change threshold for deciding whether we should
> collapse or not(although just *a* reference page seems be too
> optimistic) and export the knob to the user. In fact, I cannot judge
> whether it's worth or not because I never have an experience with THP
> workload in practice although I believe it does make sense.
> 
> What I suggested is that a swapin operation would be much heavier than
> a THP cost to collapse populated anon page so it should be more
> conservative than THP collasping decision, at least. Given that thought,
> decision point for collasping a THP is *a* reference page now so *half*
> reference of populated pages for reading swapped-out page is more
> conservative.
>
Then passing referenced parameter from khugepaged_scan_pmd to
collapse_huge_page_swapin seems okay. A referenced is enough to
create THP, if needs to swapin, we check the value that should
be higher than 256 and so that, we don't need a new sysfs knob.
 
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Ebru Akagunduz <ebru.akagunduz@gmail.com>
> > ---

> > +static unsigned int khugepaged_min_ptes_young __read_mostly;
> 
> We should set it to 1 to preserve old behavior.

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From: Ebru Akagunduz <ebru.akagunduz@gmail.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>, mhocko@suse.cz, linux-mm@kvack.org
Cc: hughd@google.com, riel@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com, n-horiguchi@ah.jp.nec.com,
	aarcange@redhat.com, iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com, gorcunov@openvz.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mgorman@suse.de,
	rientjes@google.com, vbabka@suse.cz,
	aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
	mhocko@suse.cz, boaz@plexistor.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/3] mm, thp: convert from optimistic to conservative
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 12:08:20 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160616090819.GA18977@gezgin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160615064053.GH17127@bbox>

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 03:40:53PM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:16:00PM +0300, Ebru Akagunduz wrote:
> > Currently, khugepaged collapses pages saying only
> > a referenced page enough to create a THP.
> > 
> > This patch changes the design from optimistic to conservative.
> > It gives a default threshold which is half of HPAGE_PMD_NR
> > for referenced pages, also introduces a new sysfs knob.
> 
> Strictly speaking, It's not what I suggested.
> 
> I didn't mean that let's change threshold for deciding whether we should
> collapse or not(although just *a* reference page seems be too
> optimistic) and export the knob to the user. In fact, I cannot judge
> whether it's worth or not because I never have an experience with THP
> workload in practice although I believe it does make sense.
> 
> What I suggested is that a swapin operation would be much heavier than
> a THP cost to collapse populated anon page so it should be more
> conservative than THP collasping decision, at least. Given that thought,
> decision point for collasping a THP is *a* reference page now so *half*
> reference of populated pages for reading swapped-out page is more
> conservative.
>
Then passing referenced parameter from khugepaged_scan_pmd to
collapse_huge_page_swapin seems okay. A referenced is enough to
create THP, if needs to swapin, we check the value that should
be higher than 256 and so that, we don't need a new sysfs knob.
 
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Ebru Akagunduz <ebru.akagunduz@gmail.com>
> > ---

> > +static unsigned int khugepaged_min_ptes_young __read_mostly;
> 
> We should set it to 1 to preserve old behavior.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-16  9:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-11 19:15 [RFC PATCH 0/3] mm, thp: convert from optimistic to conservative Ebru Akagunduz
2016-06-11 19:15 ` Ebru Akagunduz
2016-06-11 19:15 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] mm, thp: revert allocstall comparing Ebru Akagunduz
2016-06-11 19:15   ` Ebru Akagunduz
2016-06-13 18:32   ` Ebru Akagunduz
2016-06-13 18:32     ` Ebru Akagunduz
2016-06-14  7:07   ` Michal Hocko
2016-06-14  7:07     ` Michal Hocko
2016-06-11 19:16 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] mm, thp: convert from optimistic to conservative Ebru Akagunduz
2016-06-11 19:16   ` Ebru Akagunduz
2016-06-13 18:35   ` Ebru Akagunduz
2016-06-13 18:35     ` Ebru Akagunduz
2016-06-14  7:18   ` Michal Hocko
2016-06-14  7:18     ` Michal Hocko
2016-06-15  6:40   ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-15  6:40     ` Minchan Kim
2016-06-16  9:08     ` Ebru Akagunduz [this message]
2016-06-16  9:08       ` Ebru Akagunduz
2016-06-11 19:16 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] doc: add information about min_ptes_young Ebru Akagunduz
2016-06-11 19:16   ` Ebru Akagunduz
2016-06-13 18:37   ` Ebru Akagunduz
2016-06-13 18:37     ` Ebru Akagunduz
2016-06-13 18:30 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] mm, thp: convert from optimistic to conservative Ebru Akagunduz
2016-06-13 18:30   ` Ebru Akagunduz

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