From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
Ondrej Kozina <okozina@redhat.com>,
Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
dm-devel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] mempool: do not consume memory reserves from the reclaim path
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:13:00 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160721121300.GA21806@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160721085202.GC26379@dhcp22.suse.cz>
On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 10:52:03AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> Look, there are
> $ git grep mempool_alloc | wc -l
> 304
>
> many users of this API and we do not want to flip the default behavior
> which is there for more than 10 years. So far you have been arguing
> about potential deadlocks and haven't shown any particular path which
> would have a direct or indirect dependency between mempool and normal
> allocator and it wouldn't be a bug. As the matter of fact the change
> we are discussing here causes a regression. If you want to change the
> semantic of mempool allocator then you are absolutely free to do so. In
> a separate patch which would be discussed with IO people and other
> users, though. But we _absolutely_ want to fix the regression first
> and have a simple fix for 4.6 and 4.7 backports. At this moment there
> are revert and patch 1 on the table. The later one should make your
> backtrace happy and should be only as a temporal fix until we find out
> what is actually misbehaving on your systems. If you are not interested
> to pursue that way I will simply go with the revert.
+1
It's very unlikely that decade-old mempool semantics are suddenly a
fundamental livelock problem, when all the evidence we have is one
hang and vague speculation. Given that the patch causes regressions,
and that the bug is most likely elsewhere anyway, a full revert rather
than merely-less-invasive mempool changes makes the most sense to me.
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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
Ondrej Kozina <okozina@redhat.com>,
Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
dm-devel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] mempool: do not consume memory reserves from the reclaim path
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:13:00 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160721121300.GA21806@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160721085202.GC26379@dhcp22.suse.cz>
On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 10:52:03AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> Look, there are
> $ git grep mempool_alloc | wc -l
> 304
>
> many users of this API and we do not want to flip the default behavior
> which is there for more than 10 years. So far you have been arguing
> about potential deadlocks and haven't shown any particular path which
> would have a direct or indirect dependency between mempool and normal
> allocator and it wouldn't be a bug. As the matter of fact the change
> we are discussing here causes a regression. If you want to change the
> semantic of mempool allocator then you are absolutely free to do so. In
> a separate patch which would be discussed with IO people and other
> users, though. But we _absolutely_ want to fix the regression first
> and have a simple fix for 4.6 and 4.7 backports. At this moment there
> are revert and patch 1 on the table. The later one should make your
> backtrace happy and should be only as a temporal fix until we find out
> what is actually misbehaving on your systems. If you are not interested
> to pursue that way I will simply go with the revert.
+1
It's very unlikely that decade-old mempool semantics are suddenly a
fundamental livelock problem, when all the evidence we have is one
hang and vague speculation. Given that the patch causes regressions,
and that the bug is most likely elsewhere anyway, a full revert rather
than merely-less-invasive mempool changes makes the most sense to me.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-07-21 12:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-07-18 8:39 [RFC PATCH 0/2] mempool vs. page allocator interaction Michal Hocko
2016-07-18 8:39 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-18 8:41 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] mempool: do not consume memory reserves from the reclaim path Michal Hocko
2016-07-18 8:41 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-18 8:41 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] mm, mempool: do not throttle PF_LESS_THROTTLE tasks Michal Hocko
2016-07-18 8:41 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-19 21:50 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-19 21:50 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-22 8:46 ` NeilBrown
2016-07-22 9:04 ` NeilBrown
2016-07-22 9:15 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-22 9:15 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-23 0:12 ` NeilBrown
2016-07-25 8:32 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-25 8:32 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-25 19:23 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-25 19:23 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-25 19:23 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-26 7:07 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-26 7:07 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-27 3:43 ` [dm-devel] " NeilBrown
2016-07-27 18:24 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-27 18:24 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-27 21:33 ` NeilBrown
2016-07-28 7:17 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-28 7:17 ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-03 12:53 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-03 12:53 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-03 14:34 ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-03 14:34 ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-04 18:49 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-04 18:49 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-12 12:32 ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-12 12:32 ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-13 17:34 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-13 17:34 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-14 10:34 ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-14 10:34 ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-15 16:15 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-15 16:15 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-11-23 21:11 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-11-23 21:11 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-11-24 13:29 ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-24 13:29 ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-24 17:10 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-11-24 17:10 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-11-28 14:06 ` Michal Hocko
2016-11-28 14:06 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-25 21:52 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-25 21:52 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-26 7:25 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-26 7:25 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-27 4:02 ` [dm-devel] " NeilBrown
2016-07-27 14:28 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-27 14:28 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-27 18:40 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-27 18:40 ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-03 13:59 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-03 13:59 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-03 14:42 ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-03 14:42 ` Michal Hocko
2016-08-04 18:46 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-08-04 18:46 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-27 21:36 ` NeilBrown
2016-07-19 2:00 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] mempool: do not consume memory reserves from the reclaim path David Rientjes
2016-07-19 2:00 ` David Rientjes
2016-07-19 7:49 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-19 7:49 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-19 13:54 ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-19 13:54 ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-19 14:19 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-19 14:19 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-19 22:01 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-19 22:01 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-19 20:45 ` David Rientjes
2016-07-19 20:45 ` David Rientjes
2016-07-20 8:15 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-20 8:15 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-20 21:06 ` David Rientjes
2016-07-20 21:06 ` David Rientjes
2016-07-21 8:52 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-21 8:52 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-21 12:13 ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2016-07-21 12:13 ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-21 14:53 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-21 14:53 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-21 14:53 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-21 15:26 ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-21 15:26 ` Johannes Weiner
2016-07-22 1:41 ` NeilBrown
2016-07-22 6:37 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-22 6:37 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-22 12:26 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-07-22 12:26 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-07-22 19:44 ` Andrew Morton
2016-07-22 19:44 ` Andrew Morton
2016-07-23 18:52 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-07-23 18:52 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-07-19 21:50 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-19 21:50 ` Mikulas Patocka
2016-07-20 6:44 ` Michal Hocko
2016-07-20 6:44 ` Michal Hocko
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