From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Manfred Spraul <manfred@colorfullife.com>
Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
benh@kernel.crashing.org, paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
1vier1@web.de, Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] spinlock: Document memory barrier rules
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 13:51:34 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160901115134.GS10153@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3f7c39e5-4c46-0641-d29e-36c9439ad6dc@colorfullife.com>
On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 01:04:26PM +0200, Manfred Spraul wrote:
> >So for both power and arm64, you can in fact model spin_unlock_wait()
> >as LOCK+UNLOCK.
> Is this consensus?
Dunno, but it was done to fix your earlier locking scheme and both
architectures where it matters have done so.
So I suppose that could be taken as consensus ;-)
> If I understand it right, the rules are:
> 1. spin_unlock_wait() must behave like spin_lock();spin_unlock();
>From a barrier perspective, yes I think so. Ideally the implementation
would avoid stores (which was the entire point of introducing that
primitive IIRC) if at all possible (not possible on ARM64/Power).
> 2. spin_is_locked() must behave like spin_trylock() ? spin_unlock(),TRUE :
> FALSE
Not sure on this one, That might be consistent, but I don't see the
ll/sc-nop in there. Will?
> 3. the ACQUIRE during spin_lock applies to the lock load, not to the store.
I think we can state that ACQUIRE on _any_ atomic only applies to the
LOAD not the STORE.
And we're waiting for that to bite us again before trying to deal with
it in a more generic manner; for now only the spinlock implementations
(specifically spin_unlock_wait) deal with it.
Will, Boqun, did I get that right?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-09-01 11:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-08-28 11:56 [PATCH 0/4] Clarify/standardize memory barriers for lock/unlock Manfred Spraul
2016-08-28 11:56 ` [PATCH 1/4] spinlock: Document memory barrier rules Manfred Spraul
2016-08-28 11:56 ` [PATCH 2/4] barrier.h: Move smp_mb__after_unlock_lock to barrier.h Manfred Spraul
2016-08-28 11:56 ` [PATCH 3/4] net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_core: update memory barriers Manfred Spraul
2016-08-28 11:56 ` [PATCH 4/4] qspinlock for x86: smp_mb__after_spin_lock() is free Manfred Spraul
2016-08-29 10:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-29 10:51 ` [PATCH 3/4] net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_core: update memory barriers Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-28 13:43 ` [PATCH 2/4] barrier.h: Move smp_mb__after_unlock_lock to barrier.h Paul E. McKenney
2016-08-28 16:31 ` Manfred Spraul
2016-08-28 18:00 ` Manfred Spraul
2016-08-28 14:41 ` kbuild test robot
2016-08-28 17:43 ` [PATCH 2/4 v3] spinlock.h: Move smp_mb__after_unlock_lock to spinlock.h Manfred Spraul
2016-08-29 10:48 ` [PATCH 1/4] spinlock: Document memory barrier rules Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-29 12:54 ` Manfred Spraul
2016-08-29 13:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-31 4:59 ` Manfred Spraul
2016-08-31 15:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-08-31 16:40 ` Will Deacon
2016-08-31 18:32 ` Manfred Spraul
2016-09-01 8:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-09-01 11:04 ` Manfred Spraul
2016-09-01 11:19 ` Will Deacon
2016-09-01 11:51 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2016-09-01 14:05 ` Boqun Feng
2016-08-29 10:53 ` [PATCH 0/4] Clarify/standardize memory barriers for lock/unlock Peter Zijlstra
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