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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com>
Cc: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linaro.org>,
	Felipe Balbi <balbi@kernel.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org>,
	Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	robh@kernel.org, Jun Li <jun.li@nxp.com>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Ruslan Bilovol <ruslan.bilovol@gmail.com>,
	Peter Chen <peter.chen@freescale.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	r.baldyga@samsung.com, grygorii.strashko@ti.com,
	Yoshihiro Shimoda <yoshihiro.shimoda.uh@renesas.com>,
	Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>,
	Charles Keepax <ckeepax@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	patches@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com,
	Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>USB <lin>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v16 0/4] Introduce usb charger framework to deal with the usb gadget power negotation
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 12:33:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160915103352.GC13132@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877fag1b6r.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name>

Hi!

> > That's not actually 100% clear to me - for what the wm831x is doing it
> > probably *does* want the higher limit.  This is a system inflow limit
> > (as it should be for this), at least the charger will adapt to voltage
> > variations though other users in the system are much less likely to do
> > so.
> 
> Interesting ... I hadn't considered that possibility.
> 
> As long as the current remains below the maximum, the charger will
> reduce the voltage towards 2V as load increases.  Somewhere before it
> gets there, the system will not be able to make use of the power as the
> voltage will be too low to be usable. So that will naturally limit the
> current being drawn.
> 
> Not having very much electrical engineering background, I cannot say for
> sure what will happen, but it seems likely that once the voltage drops
> much below 4.75V, the charger won't be operating at peak efficiency,
> which would be a waste.
> I can easily imagine that the hardware would switch off at some voltage
> level, rather than just making do with what is there.
> So I'm skeptical of this approach, but I'm open to being corrected by
> someone more knowledgeable than I.

Devices I seen charge down to ~4.2V. This is useful thing to play
with:

dx.com: 406496
1" USB Current & Voltage Detector Tester Meter w/ Red LED Display -
Blue

Best regards,
								Pavel

-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html

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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com>
Cc: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linaro.org>,
	Felipe Balbi <balbi@kernel.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Sebastian Reichel <sre@kernel.org>,
	Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov <dbaryshkov@gmail.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	robh@kernel.org, Jun Li <jun.li@nxp.com>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Ruslan Bilovol <ruslan.bilovol@gmail.com>,
	Peter Chen <peter.chen@freescale.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	r.baldyga@samsung.com, grygorii.strashko@ti.com,
	Yoshihiro Shimoda <yoshihiro.shimoda.uh@renesas.com>,
	Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>,
	Charles Keepax <ckeepax@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	patches@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com,
	Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	USB <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	device-mainlining@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Bird, Timothy" <Tim.Bird@am.sony.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v16 0/4] Introduce usb charger framework to deal with the usb gadget power negotation
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 12:33:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160915103352.GC13132@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877fag1b6r.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name>

Hi!

> > That's not actually 100% clear to me - for what the wm831x is doing it
> > probably *does* want the higher limit.  This is a system inflow limit
> > (as it should be for this), at least the charger will adapt to voltage
> > variations though other users in the system are much less likely to do
> > so.
> 
> Interesting ... I hadn't considered that possibility.
> 
> As long as the current remains below the maximum, the charger will
> reduce the voltage towards 2V as load increases.  Somewhere before it
> gets there, the system will not be able to make use of the power as the
> voltage will be too low to be usable. So that will naturally limit the
> current being drawn.
> 
> Not having very much electrical engineering background, I cannot say for
> sure what will happen, but it seems likely that once the voltage drops
> much below 4.75V, the charger won't be operating at peak efficiency,
> which would be a waste.
> I can easily imagine that the hardware would switch off at some voltage
> level, rather than just making do with what is there.
> So I'm skeptical of this approach, but I'm open to being corrected by
> someone more knowledgeable than I.

Devices I seen charge down to ~4.2V. This is useful thing to play
with:

dx.com: 406496
1" USB Current & Voltage Detector Tester Meter w/ Red LED Display -
Blue

Best regards,
								Pavel

-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-09-15 10:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-01  7:09 [PATCH v16 0/4] Introduce usb charger framework to deal with the usb gadget power negotation Baolin Wang
2016-08-01  7:09 ` [PATCH v16 1/4] usb: gadget: Introduce the usb charger framework Baolin Wang
2016-08-01  7:09 ` [PATCH v16 2/4] usb: gadget: Support for " Baolin Wang
2016-08-01  7:09 ` [PATCH v16 3/4] usb: gadget: Integrate with the usb gadget supporting for usb charger Baolin Wang
2016-08-01  7:09 ` [PATCH v16 4/4] power: wm831x_power: Support USB charger current limit management Baolin Wang
     [not found] ` <cover.1470034830.git.baolin.wang-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-11  3:14   ` [PATCH v16 0/4] Introduce usb charger framework to deal with the usb gadget power negotation Baolin Wang
2016-08-11  3:14     ` Baolin Wang
2016-08-29  9:02     ` Baolin Wang
2016-09-06  5:40       ` NeilBrown
2016-09-06  5:40         ` NeilBrown
     [not found]         ` <8760q9a8m6.fsf-wvvUuzkyo1HefUI2i7LXDhCRmIWqnp/j@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-06  7:40           ` Felipe Balbi
2016-09-06  7:40             ` Felipe Balbi
2016-09-08  6:55         ` Baolin Wang
2016-09-08  6:55           ` Baolin Wang
2016-09-08  7:31           ` NeilBrown
2016-09-08  7:31             ` NeilBrown
2016-09-08  8:12             ` Baolin Wang
2016-09-08  8:12               ` Baolin Wang
2016-09-08 23:13               ` NeilBrown
2016-09-08 23:13                 ` NeilBrown
2016-09-09  6:46                 ` Baolin Wang
2016-09-09  6:46                   ` Baolin Wang
2016-09-09 21:19                   ` NeilBrown
2016-09-09 21:19                     ` NeilBrown
2016-09-18  9:39                     ` Baolin Wang
2016-09-18  9:39                       ` Baolin Wang
2016-10-05  7:26                       ` Baolin Wang
2016-10-05  7:26                         ` Baolin Wang
2016-10-05  7:47                         ` Felipe Balbi
2016-10-05  7:47                           ` Felipe Balbi
     [not found]                           ` <878tu3p78u.fsf-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2016-10-05  7:57                             ` Baolin Wang
2016-10-05  7:57                               ` Baolin Wang
2016-10-05 10:44                           ` NeilBrown
2016-10-05 10:44                             ` NeilBrown
2016-10-08  3:18                             ` Baolin Wang
2016-10-08  3:18                               ` Baolin Wang
2016-09-09 11:07                 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-09 11:07                   ` Mark Brown
2016-09-09 21:57                   ` NeilBrown
2016-09-09 21:57                     ` NeilBrown
2016-09-12 12:25                     ` Mark Brown
2016-09-12 12:25                       ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                       ` <20160912122549.GZ27946-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-12 13:27                         ` NeilBrown
2016-09-12 13:27                           ` NeilBrown
     [not found]                           ` <87inu11c5l.fsf-wvvUuzkyo1HefUI2i7LXDhCRmIWqnp/j@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-12 15:26                             ` Mark Brown
2016-09-12 15:26                               ` Mark Brown
2016-09-13  8:00                               ` NeilBrown
2016-09-13  8:00                                 ` NeilBrown
2016-09-14 11:16                                 ` Mark Brown
2016-09-14 11:16                                   ` Mark Brown
2016-09-14 14:11                                   ` NeilBrown
2016-09-14 14:11                                     ` NeilBrown
2016-09-14 14:57                                     ` Mark Brown
2016-09-14 14:57                                       ` Mark Brown
2016-09-14 17:50                                       ` NeilBrown
2016-09-14 17:50                                         ` NeilBrown
2016-09-14 18:02                                         ` Mark Brown
2016-09-14 18:02                                           ` Mark Brown
2016-09-15 10:33                                 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2016-09-15 10:33                                   ` Pavel Machek

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