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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Stephen Bates <sbates@raithlin.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org>,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>,
	jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com, haggaie@mellanox.com,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	jim.macdonald@everspin.com, sbates@raithin.com,
	Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	"Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] iopmem : A block device for PCIe memory
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 22:12:53 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161021111253.GQ14023@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161021095714.GA12209@infradead.org>

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 02:57:14AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 10:22:39AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > You do realise that local filesystems can silently change the
> > location of file data at any point in time, so there is no such
> > thing as a "stable mapping" of file data to block device addresses
> > in userspace?
> > 
> > If you want remote access to the blocks owned and controlled by a
> > filesystem, then you need to use a filesystem with a remote locking
> > mechanism to allow co-ordinated, coherent access to the data in
> > those blocks. Anything else is just asking for ongoing, unfixable
> > filesystem corruption or data leakage problems (i.e.  security
> > issues).
> 
> And at least for XFS we have such a mechanism :)  E.g. I have a
> prototype of a pNFS layout that uses XFS+DAX to allow clients to do
> RDMA directly to XFS files, with the same locking mechanism we use
> for the current block and scsi layout in xfs_pnfs.c.

Oh, that's good to know - pNFS over XFS was exactly what I was
thinking of when I wrote my earlier reply. A few months ago someone
else was trying to use file mappings in userspace for direct remote
client access on fabric connected devices. I told them "pNFS on XFS
and write an efficient transport for you hardware"....

Now that I know we've got RDMA support for pNFS on XFS in the
pipeline, I can just tell them "just write an rdma driver for your
hardware" instead. :P

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com, sbates@raithin.com, "Raj,
	Ashok  <ashok.raj@intel.com>,
	haggaie@mellanox.com, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	jim.macdonald@everspin.com, Stephen Bates <sbates@raithlin.com>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>, David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] iopmem : A block device for PCIe memory
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 22:12:53 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161021111253.GQ14023@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161021095714.GA12209@infradead.org>

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 02:57:14AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 10:22:39AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > You do realise that local filesystems can silently change the
> > location of file data at any point in time, so there is no such
> > thing as a "stable mapping" of file data to block device addresses
> > in userspace?
> > 
> > If you want remote access to the blocks owned and controlled by a
> > filesystem, then you need to use a filesystem with a remote locking
> > mechanism to allow co-ordinated, coherent access to the data in
> > those blocks. Anything else is just asking for ongoing, unfixable
> > filesystem corruption or data leakage problems (i.e.  security
> > issues).
> 
> And at least for XFS we have such a mechanism :)  E.g. I have a
> prototype of a pNFS layout that uses XFS+DAX to allow clients to do
> RDMA directly to XFS files, with the same locking mechanism we use
> for the current block and scsi layout in xfs_pnfs.c.

Oh, that's good to know - pNFS over XFS was exactly what I was
thinking of when I wrote my earlier reply. A few months ago someone
else was trying to use file mappings in userspace for direct remote
client access on fabric connected devices. I told them "pNFS on XFS
and write an efficient transport for you hardware"....

Now that I know we've got RDMA support for pNFS on XFS in the
pipeline, I can just tell them "just write an rdma driver for your
hardware" instead. :P

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com
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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Stephen Bates <sbates@raithlin.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org>,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>,
	jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com, haggaie@mellanox.com,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	jim.macdonald@everspin.com, sbates@raithin.com,
	Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	"Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] iopmem : A block device for PCIe memory
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 22:12:53 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161021111253.GQ14023@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161021095714.GA12209@infradead.org>

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 02:57:14AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 10:22:39AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > You do realise that local filesystems can silently change the
> > location of file data at any point in time, so there is no such
> > thing as a "stable mapping" of file data to block device addresses
> > in userspace?
> > 
> > If you want remote access to the blocks owned and controlled by a
> > filesystem, then you need to use a filesystem with a remote locking
> > mechanism to allow co-ordinated, coherent access to the data in
> > those blocks. Anything else is just asking for ongoing, unfixable
> > filesystem corruption or data leakage problems (i.e.  security
> > issues).
> 
> And at least for XFS we have such a mechanism :)  E.g. I have a
> prototype of a pNFS layout that uses XFS+DAX to allow clients to do
> RDMA directly to XFS files, with the same locking mechanism we use
> for the current block and scsi layout in xfs_pnfs.c.

Oh, that's good to know - pNFS over XFS was exactly what I was
thinking of when I wrote my earlier reply. A few months ago someone
else was trying to use file mappings in userspace for direct remote
client access on fabric connected devices. I told them "pNFS on XFS
and write an efficient transport for you hardware"....

Now that I know we've got RDMA support for pNFS on XFS in the
pipeline, I can just tell them "just write an rdma driver for your
hardware" instead. :P

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

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Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-18 21:42 [PATCH 0/3] iopmem : A block device for PCIe memory Stephen Bates
2016-10-18 21:42 ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-18 21:42 ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-18 21:42 ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-18 21:42 ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-18 21:42 ` [PATCH 1/3] memremap.c : Add support for ZONE_DEVICE IO memory with struct pages Stephen Bates
2016-10-18 21:42   ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-18 21:42   ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-18 21:42   ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-19 17:50   ` Dan Williams
2016-10-19 17:50     ` Dan Williams
2016-10-19 17:50     ` Dan Williams
2016-10-19 17:50     ` Dan Williams
2016-10-19 17:50     ` Dan Williams
2016-10-19 18:40     ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-19 18:40       ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-19 18:40       ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-19 20:01       ` Dan Williams
2016-10-19 20:01         ` Dan Williams
2016-10-19 20:01         ` Dan Williams
2016-10-19 20:01         ` Dan Williams
2016-10-19 20:01         ` Dan Williams
2016-10-25 11:54         ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-25 11:54           ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-25 11:54           ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-25 11:54           ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-18 21:42 ` [PATCH 2/3] iopmem : Add a block device driver for PCIe attached IO memory Stephen Bates
2016-10-18 21:42   ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-18 21:42   ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-18 21:42   ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-28  6:45   ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-10-28  6:45     ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-10-28  6:45     ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-10-28 19:22     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2016-10-28 19:22       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2016-10-28 19:22       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2016-10-18 21:42 ` [PATCH 3/3] iopmem : Add documentation for iopmem driver Stephen Bates
2016-10-18 21:42   ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-18 21:42   ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-18 21:42   ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-28  6:46   ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-10-28  6:46     ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-10-28  6:46     ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-10-19  3:51 ` [PATCH 0/3] iopmem : A block device for PCIe memory Dan Williams
2016-10-19  3:51   ` Dan Williams
2016-10-19  3:51   ` Dan Williams
2016-10-19  3:51   ` Dan Williams
2016-10-19 18:48   ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-19 18:48     ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-19 18:48     ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-19 18:48     ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-19 19:58     ` Dan Williams
2016-10-19 19:58       ` Dan Williams
2016-10-19 19:58       ` Dan Williams
2016-10-19 19:58       ` Dan Williams
2016-10-19 22:54       ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-19 22:54         ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-19 22:54         ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-19 22:54         ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-20 23:22     ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-20 23:22       ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-20 23:22       ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-20 23:22       ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-21  9:57       ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-10-21  9:57         ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-10-21  9:57         ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-10-21 11:12         ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2016-10-21 11:12           ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-21 11:12           ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-25 11:50           ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-25 11:50             ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-25 11:50             ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-25 21:19             ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-25 21:19               ` Dave Chinner
2016-10-25 21:19               ` Dave Chinner
2016-11-06 14:05               ` Stephen Bates
2016-11-06 14:05                 ` Stephen Bates
2016-11-06 14:05                 ` Stephen Bates
2016-11-06 14:05                 ` Stephen Bates
2016-10-27 10:22         ` Sagi Grimberg
2016-10-27 10:22           ` Sagi Grimberg
2016-10-27 10:22           ` Sagi Grimberg
2016-10-27 12:32           ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-10-27 12:32             ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-10-27 12:32             ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-10-27 12:32             ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-10-26  8:24   ` Haggai Eran
2016-10-26  8:24     ` Haggai Eran
2016-10-26  8:24     ` Haggai Eran
2016-10-26  8:24     ` Haggai Eran
2016-10-26  8:24     ` Haggai Eran
2016-10-26 13:39     ` Dan Williams
2016-10-26 13:39       ` Dan Williams
2016-10-26 13:39       ` Dan Williams
2016-10-26 13:39       ` Dan Williams
2016-10-26 13:39       ` Dan Williams

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