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From: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Olof Johansson <olof-nZhT3qVonbNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>,
	Linus Walleij
	<linus.walleij-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Suresh Mangipudi
	<smangipudi-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Laxman Dewangan
	<ldewangan-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Alexandre Courbot
	<gnurou-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-gpio-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-gpio-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-tegra-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-tegra-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] gpio: tegra186: Add support for T186 GPIO
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 18:58:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161108175803.GA12994@ulmo.ba.sec> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <08947785-2e7f-0117-2392-b6b1a774bbb8-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>

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On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 09:49:27AM -0700, Stephen Warren wrote:
> On 11/08/2016 08:55 AM, Thierry Reding wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 05:42:33PM -0800, Olof Johansson wrote:
> > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 5:21 AM, Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 08:53:37AM +0100, Linus Walleij wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Suresh Mangipudi <smangipudi@nvidia.com> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Add GPIO driver for T186 based platforms.
> > > > > > Adds support for MAIN and AON GPIO's from T186.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Suresh Mangipudi <smangipudi-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
> > > > > 
> > > > > Stephen/Thierry/Alexandre:
> > > > > Can I get your review on this Tegra thing?
> > > > 
> > > > Can we hold off on this for a bit? I've got my own implementation of
> > > > this in my Tegra186 tree because I thought nobody else was working on
> > > > it. From a brief look they seem mostly similar but there are a couple
> > > > of differences that I need to take a closer look at (and do some more
> > > > intensive testing on).
> > > 
> > > Be careful about discouraging other developers internally from
> > > participating upstream, Thierry.
> > 
> > That was certainly not my intention. I do welcome any contributions,
> > internal or external.
> > 
> > > Please don't become a bottleneck for your company's contributions.
> > > Rewriting stuff on your own isn't a scalable model.
> > 
> > Like I said, I didn't rewrite this, I merely wrote the GPIO driver
> > because there wasn't one at the time and I wasn't aware of anyone else
> > working on one. Waiting for a GPIO driver to emerge would've prevented
> > me from making progress on other fronts.
> 
> One issue here is that there are lots of patches destined for upstream in
> your own personal tree, but they aren't actually upstream yet. I think
> pushing more of your work into linux-next (and further upstream) faster
> would help people out. linux-next and other "standard" repos should be
> easily discoverable by anyway following any upstreaming HOWTOs, but those
> HOWTOs aren't going to mention your personal trees, so patches there
> effectively don't exist. Making the already extant work more discoverable
> will help prevent people duplicating work.

I had assumed that I had properly communicated what the canonical
temporary location for Tegra186 patches would be, but you're right that
it's probably easy to miss, and linux-next would be a more obvious
target.

> Related to this, I've been waiting rather a while for the Tegra186 DT
> binding patches I sent to be applied. I'd love to see them go in ASAP even
> if there's no kernel driver behind them. The bindings have been reviewed,
> ack'd, and they're in use in U-Boot already.

It's true, I've been promising this for weeks now. I'll get around to it
within the week. Please do prod me in case I don't. I promise I won't
get mad =)

> A thought on Tegra186: For a older supported SoCs, we obviously don't want
> to push changes upstream that aren't too well baked. However, for a new SoC
> that doesn't work yet, I'm tend to prioritize getting as much early work
> upstream as fast as possible (to try and unblock people working in other
> areas) over getting those patches perfect first. Release early, release
> often will help unblock people and parallelize work. Pipeline your own work
> rather than batching it all up to release at once.

I'm always hesitant to merge code that isn't functional or tested, but
perhaps I'm being a little overzealous here, and I'm evidently not doing
so great, so let me try to be more aggressive.

> P.S. don't take this email too personally or anything; I'm not trying to be
> complaining/critical or anything like that. It's just a few mild thoughts.

No offense taken, thanks for being constructive about it.

Thierry

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From: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>
To: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>
Cc: Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Suresh Mangipudi <smangipudi@nvidia.com>,
	Laxman Dewangan <ldewangan@nvidia.com>,
	Alexandre Courbot <gnurou@gmail.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org" <linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org" <linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] gpio: tegra186: Add support for T186 GPIO
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 18:58:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161108175803.GA12994@ulmo.ba.sec> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <08947785-2e7f-0117-2392-b6b1a774bbb8@wwwdotorg.org>

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On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 09:49:27AM -0700, Stephen Warren wrote:
> On 11/08/2016 08:55 AM, Thierry Reding wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 05:42:33PM -0800, Olof Johansson wrote:
> > > On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 5:21 AM, Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 08:53:37AM +0100, Linus Walleij wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Suresh Mangipudi <smangipudi@nvidia.com> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Add GPIO driver for T186 based platforms.
> > > > > > Adds support for MAIN and AON GPIO's from T186.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Suresh Mangipudi <smangipudi@nvidia.com>
> > > > > 
> > > > > Stephen/Thierry/Alexandre:
> > > > > Can I get your review on this Tegra thing?
> > > > 
> > > > Can we hold off on this for a bit? I've got my own implementation of
> > > > this in my Tegra186 tree because I thought nobody else was working on
> > > > it. From a brief look they seem mostly similar but there are a couple
> > > > of differences that I need to take a closer look at (and do some more
> > > > intensive testing on).
> > > 
> > > Be careful about discouraging other developers internally from
> > > participating upstream, Thierry.
> > 
> > That was certainly not my intention. I do welcome any contributions,
> > internal or external.
> > 
> > > Please don't become a bottleneck for your company's contributions.
> > > Rewriting stuff on your own isn't a scalable model.
> > 
> > Like I said, I didn't rewrite this, I merely wrote the GPIO driver
> > because there wasn't one at the time and I wasn't aware of anyone else
> > working on one. Waiting for a GPIO driver to emerge would've prevented
> > me from making progress on other fronts.
> 
> One issue here is that there are lots of patches destined for upstream in
> your own personal tree, but they aren't actually upstream yet. I think
> pushing more of your work into linux-next (and further upstream) faster
> would help people out. linux-next and other "standard" repos should be
> easily discoverable by anyway following any upstreaming HOWTOs, but those
> HOWTOs aren't going to mention your personal trees, so patches there
> effectively don't exist. Making the already extant work more discoverable
> will help prevent people duplicating work.

I had assumed that I had properly communicated what the canonical
temporary location for Tegra186 patches would be, but you're right that
it's probably easy to miss, and linux-next would be a more obvious
target.

> Related to this, I've been waiting rather a while for the Tegra186 DT
> binding patches I sent to be applied. I'd love to see them go in ASAP even
> if there's no kernel driver behind them. The bindings have been reviewed,
> ack'd, and they're in use in U-Boot already.

It's true, I've been promising this for weeks now. I'll get around to it
within the week. Please do prod me in case I don't. I promise I won't
get mad =)

> A thought on Tegra186: For a older supported SoCs, we obviously don't want
> to push changes upstream that aren't too well baked. However, for a new SoC
> that doesn't work yet, I'm tend to prioritize getting as much early work
> upstream as fast as possible (to try and unblock people working in other
> areas) over getting those patches perfect first. Release early, release
> often will help unblock people and parallelize work. Pipeline your own work
> rather than batching it all up to release at once.

I'm always hesitant to merge code that isn't functional or tested, but
perhaps I'm being a little overzealous here, and I'm evidently not doing
so great, so let me try to be more aggressive.

> P.S. don't take this email too personally or anything; I'm not trying to be
> complaining/critical or anything like that. It's just a few mild thoughts.

No offense taken, thanks for being constructive about it.

Thierry

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-11-08 17:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-02 10:48 [PATCH] gpio: tegra186: Add support for T186 GPIO Suresh Mangipudi
2016-11-02 10:48 ` Suresh Mangipudi
2016-11-07  7:53 ` Linus Walleij
2016-11-07 13:21   ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]     ` <20161107132127.GE12559-EkSeR96xj6Pcmrwk2tT4+A@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-08  1:42       ` Olof Johansson
2016-11-08  1:42         ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]         ` <CAOesGMgJUepmq2JTT7imKh74BsnGobcpBWFuNp94WnX1WtzEjA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-08 15:55           ` Thierry Reding
2016-11-08 15:55             ` Thierry Reding
2016-11-08 16:49             ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]               ` <08947785-2e7f-0117-2392-b6b1a774bbb8-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-08 17:58                 ` Thierry Reding [this message]
2016-11-08 17:58                   ` Thierry Reding
     [not found] ` <1478083719-14836-1-git-send-email-smangipudi-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-08 19:07   ` Stephen Warren
2016-11-08 19:07     ` Stephen Warren
2016-11-22 17:30     ` Thierry Reding
2016-11-22 17:55       ` [PATCH] gpio: Add Tegra186 support Thierry Reding
     [not found]         ` <20161122175539.3897-1-thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-23 13:30           ` Linus Walleij
2016-11-23 13:30             ` Linus Walleij
2016-11-23 19:44             ` Thierry Reding
2016-11-24 15:40               ` Linus Walleij
2016-11-24  6:53         ` Laxman Dewangan
2016-11-24  6:53           ` Laxman Dewangan
     [not found]           ` <58368E84.6040104-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-24 14:44             ` Thierry Reding
2016-11-24 14:44               ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]               ` <20161124144411.GA26657-EkSeR96xj6Pcmrwk2tT4+A@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-24 14:44                 ` Laxman Dewangan
2016-11-24 14:44                   ` Laxman Dewangan
2016-11-24 15:08                   ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]                     ` <20161124150841.GC26657-EkSeR96xj6Pcmrwk2tT4+A@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-25 12:10                       ` Laxman Dewangan
2016-11-25 12:10                         ` Laxman Dewangan
     [not found]       ` <20161122173042.GA3239-EkSeR96xj6Pcmrwk2tT4+A@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-23 13:25         ` [PATCH] gpio: tegra186: Add support for T186 GPIO Linus Walleij
2016-11-23 13:25           ` Linus Walleij
     [not found]           ` <CACRpkdbfkv7Yt3cOah_BGcgnqVtxvzWOqm2+HH_rkrpnJt0nFA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-23 19:40             ` Thierry Reding
2016-11-23 19:40               ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]               ` <20161123194036.GA25876-EkSeR96xj6Pcmrwk2tT4+A@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-24  6:36                 ` Laxman Dewangan
2016-11-24  6:36                   ` Laxman Dewangan
2016-11-24 15:01                   ` Thierry Reding
2016-11-24 15:08                 ` Linus Walleij
2016-11-24 15:08                   ` Linus Walleij
2016-11-24 16:32                   ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]                     ` <20161124163231.GD26657-EkSeR96xj6Pcmrwk2tT4+A@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-24 23:24                       ` Linus Walleij
2016-11-24 23:24                         ` Linus Walleij

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