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From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	dbueso@suse.de, jasowang@redhat.com,
	KVM list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE()
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 17:28:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161125172624.GA30811@leverpostej> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d7f3740b-e343-68fc-4996-f712dd8c07f3@de.ibm.com>

On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 05:49:45PM +0100, Christian Borntraeger wrote:
> On 11/25/2016 05:17 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 04:10:04PM +0000, Mark Rutland wrote:
> >> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 04:21:39PM +0100, Dmitry Vyukov wrote:
> > 
> >>> What are use cases for such primitive that won't be OK with "read once
> >>> _and_ atomically"?
> >>
> >> I have none to hand.
> > 
> > Whatever triggers the __builtin_memcpy() paths, and even the size==8
> > paths on 32bit.
> > 
> > You could put a WARN in there to easily find them.
> 
> There were several cases that I found during writing the *ONCE stuff.
> For example there are some 32bit ppc variants with 64bit PTEs. Some for
> others (I think sparc).

We have similar on 32-bit ARM w/ LPAE. LPAE implies that a naturally
aligned 64-bit access is single-copy atomic, which is what makes that
ok.

> And the mm/ code is perfectly fine with these PTE accesses being done
> NOT atomic.

That strikes me as surprising. Is there some mutual exclusion that
prevents writes from occuring wherever a READ_ONCE() happens to a PTE?

Otherwise, how is tearing not a problem? Does it have some pattern like
the lockref cmpxchg?

Thanks,
Mark.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-11-25 17:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-24 10:25 [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Mark Rutland
2016-11-24 10:25 ` [PATCH 1/3] tools/virtio: fix READ_ONCE() Mark Rutland
2016-11-24 10:25 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-24 11:34   ` Cornelia Huck
2016-11-24 11:34     ` Cornelia Huck
2016-11-25  2:38   ` Jason Wang
2016-11-25  2:38     ` Jason Wang
2016-11-24 10:25 ` [PATCH 2/3] vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Mark Rutland
2016-11-24 11:10   ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-11-24 11:10     ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-11-24 11:35   ` Cornelia Huck
2016-11-24 11:35     ` Cornelia Huck
2016-11-25  2:40   ` Jason Wang
2016-11-25  2:40     ` Jason Wang
2016-11-24 10:25 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-24 10:25 ` [PATCH 3/3] tools/virtio: use {READ,WRITE}_ONCE() in uaccess.h Mark Rutland
2016-11-24 10:25 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-24 11:37   ` Cornelia Huck
2016-11-24 11:37     ` Cornelia Huck
2016-11-25  2:40   ` Jason Wang
2016-11-25  2:40     ` Jason Wang
2016-11-24 20:36 ` [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-11-24 20:36   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-11-25 11:22   ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 11:33     ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-11-25 11:33       ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-11-25 12:23       ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 12:40         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 12:40           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 12:44           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 12:44             ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 14:56             ` Boqun Feng
2016-11-25 14:56               ` Boqun Feng
2016-11-25 15:21               ` Dmitry Vyukov
2016-11-25 16:10                 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 16:10                 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 16:17                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 16:17                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 16:32                     ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 16:32                     ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 16:49                     ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-11-25 16:49                       ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-11-25 17:28                       ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 17:28                       ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2016-11-25 17:42                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 17:42                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 18:46                         ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-11-25 18:46                           ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-11-25 21:08                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-11-25 21:08                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-11-25 21:45                         ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-11-25 21:45                           ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-11-25 17:28                     ` Dmitry Vyukov via Virtualization
2016-11-25 17:28                     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2016-11-25 17:43                       ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 17:43                       ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 17:52                       ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-25 17:52                         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-25 18:07                         ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 18:47                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-25 18:47                             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-25 18:07                         ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 15:21               ` Dmitry Vyukov via Virtualization
2016-11-25 14:35           ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 14:35           ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 12:23       ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 11:22   ` Mark Rutland
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2016-11-24 10:25 Mark Rutland

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