From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
KVM list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
dbueso@suse.de, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE()
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 23:08:48 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161125230735-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d7f3740b-e343-68fc-4996-f712dd8c07f3@de.ibm.com>
On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 05:49:45PM +0100, Christian Borntraeger wrote:
> On 11/25/2016 05:17 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 04:10:04PM +0000, Mark Rutland wrote:
> >> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 04:21:39PM +0100, Dmitry Vyukov wrote:
> >
> >>> What are use cases for such primitive that won't be OK with "read once
> >>> _and_ atomically"?
> >>
> >> I have none to hand.
> >
> > Whatever triggers the __builtin_memcpy() paths, and even the size==8
> > paths on 32bit.
> >
> > You could put a WARN in there to easily find them.
>
> There were several cases that I found during writing the *ONCE stuff.
> For example there are some 32bit ppc variants with 64bit PTEs. Some for
> others (I think sparc). And the mm/ code is perfectly fine with these
> PTE accesses being done NOT atomic.
In that case do we even need _ONCE at all?
Are there assumptions these are two 32 bit reads?
>
> >
> > The advantage of introducing the SINGLE_{LOAD,STORE}() helpers is that
> > they compiletime validate this the size is 'right' and can runtime check
> > alignment constraints.
> >
> > IE, they are strictly stronger than {READ,WRITE}_ONCE().
> >
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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
dbueso@suse.de, jasowang@redhat.com,
KVM list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE()
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 23:08:48 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161125230735-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d7f3740b-e343-68fc-4996-f712dd8c07f3@de.ibm.com>
On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 05:49:45PM +0100, Christian Borntraeger wrote:
> On 11/25/2016 05:17 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 04:10:04PM +0000, Mark Rutland wrote:
> >> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 04:21:39PM +0100, Dmitry Vyukov wrote:
> >
> >>> What are use cases for such primitive that won't be OK with "read once
> >>> _and_ atomically"?
> >>
> >> I have none to hand.
> >
> > Whatever triggers the __builtin_memcpy() paths, and even the size==8
> > paths on 32bit.
> >
> > You could put a WARN in there to easily find them.
>
> There were several cases that I found during writing the *ONCE stuff.
> For example there are some 32bit ppc variants with 64bit PTEs. Some for
> others (I think sparc). And the mm/ code is perfectly fine with these
> PTE accesses being done NOT atomic.
In that case do we even need _ONCE at all?
Are there assumptions these are two 32 bit reads?
>
> >
> > The advantage of introducing the SINGLE_{LOAD,STORE}() helpers is that
> > they compiletime validate this the size is 'right' and can runtime check
> > alignment constraints.
> >
> > IE, they are strictly stronger than {READ,WRITE}_ONCE().
> >
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-11-25 21:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-11-24 10:25 [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Mark Rutland
2016-11-24 10:25 ` [PATCH 1/3] tools/virtio: fix READ_ONCE() Mark Rutland
2016-11-24 11:34 ` Cornelia Huck
2016-11-24 11:34 ` Cornelia Huck
2016-11-25 2:38 ` Jason Wang
2016-11-25 2:38 ` Jason Wang
2016-11-24 10:25 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-24 10:25 ` [PATCH 2/3] vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Mark Rutland
2016-11-24 10:25 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-24 11:10 ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-11-24 11:10 ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-11-24 11:35 ` Cornelia Huck
2016-11-24 11:35 ` Cornelia Huck
2016-11-25 2:40 ` Jason Wang
2016-11-25 2:40 ` Jason Wang
2016-11-24 10:25 ` [PATCH 3/3] tools/virtio: use {READ,WRITE}_ONCE() in uaccess.h Mark Rutland
2016-11-24 11:37 ` Cornelia Huck
2016-11-24 11:37 ` Cornelia Huck
2016-11-25 2:40 ` Jason Wang
2016-11-25 2:40 ` Jason Wang
2016-11-24 10:25 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-24 20:36 ` [PATCH 0/3] virtio/vringh: kill off ACCESS_ONCE() Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-11-24 20:36 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-11-25 11:22 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 11:33 ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-11-25 11:33 ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-11-25 12:23 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 12:23 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 12:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 12:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 12:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 12:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 14:56 ` Boqun Feng
2016-11-25 14:56 ` Boqun Feng
2016-11-25 15:21 ` Dmitry Vyukov via Virtualization
2016-11-25 15:21 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2016-11-25 16:10 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 16:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 16:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 16:32 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 16:32 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 16:49 ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-11-25 16:49 ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-11-25 17:28 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 17:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 17:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-25 18:46 ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-11-25 18:46 ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-11-25 17:28 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 21:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2016-11-25 21:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-11-25 21:45 ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-11-25 21:45 ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-11-25 17:28 ` Dmitry Vyukov via Virtualization
2016-11-25 17:28 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2016-11-25 17:43 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 17:43 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 17:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-25 17:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-25 18:07 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 18:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-25 18:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-11-25 18:07 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 16:10 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 14:35 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 14:35 ` Mark Rutland
2016-11-25 11:22 ` Mark Rutland
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2016-11-24 10:25 Mark Rutland
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