From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Reshetova, Elena" <elena.reshetova@intel.com>
Cc: Liljestrand Hans <ishkamiel@gmail.com>,
"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com"
<kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>,
Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
"will.deacon@arm.com" <will.deacon@arm.com>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
David Windsor <dwindsor@gmail.com>,
"aik@ozlabs.ru" <aik@ozlabs.ru>,
"david@gibson.dropbear.id.au" <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: Conversion from atomic_t to refcount_t: summary of issues
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 10:41:52 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161220094152.GK3124@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2236FBA76BA1254E88B949DDB74E612B41C22713@IRSMSX102.ger.corp.intel.com>
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 09:13:58AM +0000, Reshetova, Elena wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 07:55:15AM +0000, Reshetova, Elena wrote:
> > > Well, again, you are right in theory, but in practice for example for struct
> > sched_group { atomic_t ref; ... }:
> > >
> > > http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/kernel/sched/core.c#L6178
> > >
> > > To me this is a refcounter that needs the protection.
> >
> > Only if you have more than UINT_MAX CPUs or something like that.
> >
> > And if you really really want to use refcount_t there, you could +1 the
> > scheme and it'd work again.
>
> Well, yes, probably, but there are many cases like this in practice,
> so we would need to have a good plan how to get it all submitted and
> tested properly. The current patch set is already bigger than what we
> had before and it is only growing. Hans will provide more info later
> today based on his testing, which shows many places in kernel core
> where we DO actually have increment on zero happening in practice and
> whole kernel doesn't even boot with the strictest approach (refusing
> to inc on zero). And we are only able to test for x86....
>
> Given the massive amount of changes, it would be good to merge this at
> least in couple of stages:
>
> 1) first soft version of refcount_t API which at least allows
> increment on zero and all atomic_t used as refcounter occurrences that
> don't require reference counter scheme change (+1 or other) 2) patch
> set that fixes all problematic places (potentially with code rewrite)
> 3) patch that removes possibility of inc on zero from refcount_t
I don't get it. Why ?
Just leave the weird and problematic cases using atomic_t. Its far
harder to remove crap later.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-12-20 9:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-11-28 11:56 [kernel-hardening] Conversion from atomic_t to refcount_t: summary of issues Reshetova, Elena
2016-11-28 12:13 ` [kernel-hardening] " Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-28 12:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-28 12:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-28 14:12 ` [kernel-hardening] " Reshetova, Elena
2016-11-29 3:19 ` [kernel-hardening] " Alexey Kardashevskiy
2016-11-29 9:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-11-30 0:23 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2016-11-29 15:35 ` [kernel-hardening] " Reshetova, Elena
2016-11-29 15:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-01 19:15 ` [kernel-hardening] " Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-01 21:31 ` David Windsor
2016-12-01 23:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-01 23:20 ` Kees Cook
2016-12-01 23:29 ` David Windsor
2016-12-02 1:17 ` Boqun Feng
2016-12-02 20:25 ` David Windsor
2016-12-07 13:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-07 19:03 ` David Windsor
2016-12-09 14:48 ` David Windsor
2016-12-07 13:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-01 23:20 ` David Windsor
2016-12-07 13:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-02 15:44 ` Liljestrand Hans
2016-12-02 16:14 ` Greg KH
2016-12-07 13:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-07 15:59 ` David Windsor
2016-12-07 16:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-07 16:31 ` David Windsor
2016-12-16 12:10 ` [kernel-hardening] " Reshetova, Elena
2016-12-16 14:01 ` [kernel-hardening] " Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-19 7:55 ` [kernel-hardening] " Reshetova, Elena
2016-12-19 10:12 ` [kernel-hardening] " Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-20 9:13 ` [kernel-hardening] " Reshetova, Elena
2016-12-20 9:30 ` [kernel-hardening] " Greg KH
2016-12-20 9:40 ` [kernel-hardening] " Reshetova, Elena
2016-12-20 9:51 ` [kernel-hardening] " Greg KH
2016-12-20 9:55 ` [kernel-hardening] " Reshetova, Elena
2016-12-20 10:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Greg KH
2016-12-20 9:41 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2016-12-20 9:58 ` [kernel-hardening] " Reshetova, Elena
2016-12-20 10:55 ` [kernel-hardening] " Liljestrand Hans
2016-12-20 13:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-20 13:35 ` Reshetova, Elena
2016-12-20 15:20 ` Liljestrand Hans
2016-12-20 15:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-10 14:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-12-07 14:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
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