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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Byungchul Park <byungchul.park@lge.com>
Cc: mingo@kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de, walken@google.com,
	boqun.feng@gmail.com, kirill@shutemov.name,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	npiggin@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 15/15] lockdep: Crossrelease feature documentation
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 21:08:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170110200850.GE3092@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1481260331-360-16-git-send-email-byungchul.park@lge.com>


First off my sincere apologies for being so horribly slow with this :/

I did spend some time thinking about this thing during the Christmas
holidays, but have not yet managed to write a coherent text on it like I
promised I'd do.

That said; I think I now mostly understand what and why.

But I still feel this document is very hard to read and presents things
backwards.

> +Let's take a look at more complicated example.
> +
> +   TASK X			   TASK Y
> +   ------			   ------
> +   acquire B
> +
> +   release B
> +
> +   acquire C
> +
> +   release C
> +   (1)
> +   fork Y
> +				   acquire AX
> +   acquire D
> +   /* A dependency 'AX -> D' exists */
> +				   acquire F
> +   release D
> +				   acquire G
> +				   /* A dependency 'F -> G' exists */
> +   acquire E
> +   /* A dependency 'AX -> E' exists */
> +				   acquire H
> +				   /* A dependency 'G -> H' exists */
> +   release E
> +				   release H
> +   release AX held by Y
> +				   release G
> +
> +				   release F
> +
> +   where AX, B, C,..., H are different lock classes, and a suffix 'X' is
> +   added on crosslocks.
> +
> +Does a dependency 'AX -> B' exist? Nope.

I think the above without the "fork Y" line is a much more interesting
example, because then the answer becomes: maybe.

This all boils down to the asynchonous nature of the primitive. There is
no well defined point other than what is observed (as I think you tried
to point out in our earlier exchanges).

The "acquire AX" point is entirely random wrt any action in other
threads, _however_ the time between "acquire" and "release" of any
'lock' is the only time we can be certain of things.

> +==============
> +Implementation
> +==============
> +
> +Data structures
> +---------------
> +
> +Crossrelease feature introduces two main data structures.
> +
> +1. pend_lock

I'm not sure 'pending' is the right name here, but I'll consider that
more when I review the code patches.

> +
> +   This is an array embedded in task_struct, for keeping locks queued so
> +   that real dependencies can be added using them at commit step. Since
> +   it's local data, it can be accessed locklessly in the owner context.
> +   The array is filled at acquire step and consumed at commit step. And
> +   it's managed in circular manner.
> +
> +2. cross_lock
> +
> +   This is a global linked list, for keeping all crosslocks in progress.
> +   The list grows at acquire step and is shrunk at release step.

FWIW, this is a perfect example of why I say the document is written
backwards. At this point there is no demonstrated need or use for this
list.

> +
> +CONCLUSION
> +
> +Crossrelease feature introduces two main data structures.
> +
> +1. A pend_lock array for queueing typical locks in circular manner.
> +2. A cross_lock linked list for managing crosslocks in progress.
> +
> +
> +How crossrelease works
> +----------------------
> +
> +Let's take a look at how crossrelease feature works step by step,
> +starting from how lockdep works without crossrelease feaure.
> +

> +
> +Let's look at how commit works for crosslocks.
> +
> +   AX's RELEASE CONTEXT		   AX's ACQUIRE CONTEXT
> +   --------------------		   --------------------
> +				   acquire AX
> +				   /*
> +				    * 1. Mark AX as started
> +				    *
> +				    * (No queuing for crosslocks)
> +				    *
> +				    * In pend_lock: Empty
> +				    * In graph: Empty
> +				    */
> +
> +   (serialized by some means e.g. barrier)
> +
> +   acquire D
> +   /*
> +    * (No marking for typical locks)
> +    *
> +    * 1. Queue D
> +    *
> +    * In pend_lock: D
> +    * In graph: Empty
> +    */
> +				   acquire B
> +				   /*
> +				    * (No marking for typical locks)
> +				    *
> +				    * 1. Queue B
> +				    *
> +				    * In pend_lock: B
> +				    * In graph: Empty
> +				    */
> +   release D
> +   /*
> +    * (No commit for typical locks)
> +    *
> +    * In pend_lock: D
> +    * In graph: Empty
> +    */
> +				   acquire C
> +				   /*
> +				    * (No marking for typical locks)
> +				    *
> +				    * 1. Add 'B -> C' of TT type
> +				    * 2. Queue C
> +				    *
> +				    * In pend_lock: B, C
> +				    * In graph: 'B -> C'
> +				    */
> +   acquire E
> +   /*
> +    * (No marking for typical locks)
> +    *
> +    * 1. Queue E
> +    *
> +    * In pend_lock: D, E
> +    * In graph: 'B -> C'
> +    */
> +				   acquire D
> +				   /*
> +				    * (No marking for typical locks)
> +				    *
> +				    * 1. Add 'C -> D' of TT type
> +				    * 2. Queue D
> +				    *
> +				    * In pend_lock: B, C, D
> +				    * In graph: 'B -> C', 'C -> D'
> +				    */
> +   release E
> +   /*
> +    * (No commit for typical locks)
> +    *
> +    * In pend_lock: D, E
> +    * In graph: 'B -> C', 'C -> D'
> +    */
> +				   release D
> +				   /*
> +				    * (No commit for typical locks)
> +				    *
> +				    * In pend_lock: B, C, D
> +				    * In graph: 'B -> C', 'C -> D'
> +				    */
> +   release AX
> +   /*
> +    * 1. Commit AX (= Add 'AX -> ?')
> +    *   a. What queued since AX was marked: D, E
> +    *   b. Add 'AX -> D' of CT type
> +    *   c. Add 'AX -> E' of CT type

OK, so commit adds multiple dependencies, that makes more sense.
Previously I understood commit to only add a single dependency, which
does not make sense (except in the special case where there is but one).

I dislike how I have to reconstruct this from an example instead of
first having had the rules stated though.

> +    *
> +    * In pend_lock: D, E
> +    * In graph: 'B -> C', 'C -> D',
> +    *           'AX -> D', 'AX -> E'
> +    */

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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Byungchul Park <byungchul.park@lge.com>
Cc: mingo@kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de, walken@google.com,
	boqun.feng@gmail.com, kirill@shutemov.name,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	npiggin@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 15/15] lockdep: Crossrelease feature documentation
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 21:08:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170110200850.GE3092@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1481260331-360-16-git-send-email-byungchul.park@lge.com>


First off my sincere apologies for being so horribly slow with this :/

I did spend some time thinking about this thing during the Christmas
holidays, but have not yet managed to write a coherent text on it like I
promised I'd do.

That said; I think I now mostly understand what and why.

But I still feel this document is very hard to read and presents things
backwards.

> +Let's take a look at more complicated example.
> +
> +   TASK X			   TASK Y
> +   ------			   ------
> +   acquire B
> +
> +   release B
> +
> +   acquire C
> +
> +   release C
> +   (1)
> +   fork Y
> +				   acquire AX
> +   acquire D
> +   /* A dependency 'AX -> D' exists */
> +				   acquire F
> +   release D
> +				   acquire G
> +				   /* A dependency 'F -> G' exists */
> +   acquire E
> +   /* A dependency 'AX -> E' exists */
> +				   acquire H
> +				   /* A dependency 'G -> H' exists */
> +   release E
> +				   release H
> +   release AX held by Y
> +				   release G
> +
> +				   release F
> +
> +   where AX, B, C,..., H are different lock classes, and a suffix 'X' is
> +   added on crosslocks.
> +
> +Does a dependency 'AX -> B' exist? Nope.

I think the above without the "fork Y" line is a much more interesting
example, because then the answer becomes: maybe.

This all boils down to the asynchonous nature of the primitive. There is
no well defined point other than what is observed (as I think you tried
to point out in our earlier exchanges).

The "acquire AX" point is entirely random wrt any action in other
threads, _however_ the time between "acquire" and "release" of any
'lock' is the only time we can be certain of things.

> +==============
> +Implementation
> +==============
> +
> +Data structures
> +---------------
> +
> +Crossrelease feature introduces two main data structures.
> +
> +1. pend_lock

I'm not sure 'pending' is the right name here, but I'll consider that
more when I review the code patches.

> +
> +   This is an array embedded in task_struct, for keeping locks queued so
> +   that real dependencies can be added using them at commit step. Since
> +   it's local data, it can be accessed locklessly in the owner context.
> +   The array is filled at acquire step and consumed at commit step. And
> +   it's managed in circular manner.
> +
> +2. cross_lock
> +
> +   This is a global linked list, for keeping all crosslocks in progress.
> +   The list grows at acquire step and is shrunk at release step.

FWIW, this is a perfect example of why I say the document is written
backwards. At this point there is no demonstrated need or use for this
list.

> +
> +CONCLUSION
> +
> +Crossrelease feature introduces two main data structures.
> +
> +1. A pend_lock array for queueing typical locks in circular manner.
> +2. A cross_lock linked list for managing crosslocks in progress.
> +
> +
> +How crossrelease works
> +----------------------
> +
> +Let's take a look at how crossrelease feature works step by step,
> +starting from how lockdep works without crossrelease feaure.
> +

> +
> +Let's look at how commit works for crosslocks.
> +
> +   AX's RELEASE CONTEXT		   AX's ACQUIRE CONTEXT
> +   --------------------		   --------------------
> +				   acquire AX
> +				   /*
> +				    * 1. Mark AX as started
> +				    *
> +				    * (No queuing for crosslocks)
> +				    *
> +				    * In pend_lock: Empty
> +				    * In graph: Empty
> +				    */
> +
> +   (serialized by some means e.g. barrier)
> +
> +   acquire D
> +   /*
> +    * (No marking for typical locks)
> +    *
> +    * 1. Queue D
> +    *
> +    * In pend_lock: D
> +    * In graph: Empty
> +    */
> +				   acquire B
> +				   /*
> +				    * (No marking for typical locks)
> +				    *
> +				    * 1. Queue B
> +				    *
> +				    * In pend_lock: B
> +				    * In graph: Empty
> +				    */
> +   release D
> +   /*
> +    * (No commit for typical locks)
> +    *
> +    * In pend_lock: D
> +    * In graph: Empty
> +    */
> +				   acquire C
> +				   /*
> +				    * (No marking for typical locks)
> +				    *
> +				    * 1. Add 'B -> C' of TT type
> +				    * 2. Queue C
> +				    *
> +				    * In pend_lock: B, C
> +				    * In graph: 'B -> C'
> +				    */
> +   acquire E
> +   /*
> +    * (No marking for typical locks)
> +    *
> +    * 1. Queue E
> +    *
> +    * In pend_lock: D, E
> +    * In graph: 'B -> C'
> +    */
> +				   acquire D
> +				   /*
> +				    * (No marking for typical locks)
> +				    *
> +				    * 1. Add 'C -> D' of TT type
> +				    * 2. Queue D
> +				    *
> +				    * In pend_lock: B, C, D
> +				    * In graph: 'B -> C', 'C -> D'
> +				    */
> +   release E
> +   /*
> +    * (No commit for typical locks)
> +    *
> +    * In pend_lock: D, E
> +    * In graph: 'B -> C', 'C -> D'
> +    */
> +				   release D
> +				   /*
> +				    * (No commit for typical locks)
> +				    *
> +				    * In pend_lock: B, C, D
> +				    * In graph: 'B -> C', 'C -> D'
> +				    */
> +   release AX
> +   /*
> +    * 1. Commit AX (= Add 'AX -> ?')
> +    *   a. What queued since AX was marked: D, E
> +    *   b. Add 'AX -> D' of CT type
> +    *   c. Add 'AX -> E' of CT type

OK, so commit adds multiple dependencies, that makes more sense.
Previously I understood commit to only add a single dependency, which
does not make sense (except in the special case where there is but one).

I dislike how I have to reconstruct this from an example instead of
first having had the rules stated though.

> +    *
> +    * In pend_lock: D, E
> +    * In graph: 'B -> C', 'C -> D',
> +    *           'AX -> D', 'AX -> E'
> +    */

  reply	other threads:[~2017-01-10 20:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-09  5:11 [PATCH v4 00/15] lockdep: Implement crossrelease feature Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:11 ` Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:11 ` [PATCH v4 01/15] x86/dumpstack: Optimize save_stack_trace Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:11   ` Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:11 ` [PATCH v4 02/15] x86/dumpstack: Add save_stack_trace()_fast() Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:11   ` Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:11 ` [PATCH v4 03/15] lockdep: Refactor lookup_chain_cache() Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:11   ` Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12 ` [PATCH v4 04/15] lockdep: Add a function building a chain between two classes Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12   ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-10 21:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-10 21:00     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-12  1:41     ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-12  1:41       ` Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12 ` [PATCH v4 05/15] lockdep: Make check_prev_add can use a separate stack_trace Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12   ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-12 16:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-12 16:16     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-13  2:45     ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-13  2:45       ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-13  4:09     ` [PATCH] lockdep: Make a stack_trace instance passed to check_prev_add as an arg Byungchul Park
2017-01-13  4:38       ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-13 10:11     ` [PATCH v4 05/15] lockdep: Make check_prev_add can use a separate stack_trace Byungchul Park
2017-01-13 10:11       ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-13 10:17       ` [PATCH 1/2] lockdep: Refactor save_trace() Byungchul Park
2017-01-13 10:17       ` [PATCH 2/2] lockdep: Pass a callback arg to check_prev_add() to handle stack_trace Byungchul Park
2017-01-17 15:54       ` [PATCH v4 05/15] lockdep: Make check_prev_add can use a separate stack_trace Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-17 15:54         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-18  2:04         ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-18  2:04           ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-18 15:10           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-18 15:10             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-19  2:47             ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-19  2:47               ` Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12 ` [PATCH v4 06/15] lockdep: Make save_trace can skip stack tracing of the current Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12   ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-12 16:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-12 16:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-13  0:18     ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-13  0:18       ` Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12 ` [PATCH v4 07/15] lockdep: Implement crossrelease feature Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12   ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-13  4:39   ` Lai Jiangshan
2017-01-13  4:39     ` Lai Jiangshan
2017-01-13  5:02     ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-13  5:02       ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-16 15:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-16 15:10     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-17  2:05     ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-17  2:05       ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-17  7:12       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-17  7:12         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-17  7:49         ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-17  7:49           ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-17  7:14       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-17  7:14         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-17  7:45         ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-17  7:45           ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-16 15:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-16 15:13     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-17  2:33     ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-17  2:33       ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-17  6:24       ` Boqun Feng
2017-01-17  7:43         ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-17  7:43           ` Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12 ` [PATCH v4 08/15] lockdep: Make crossrelease use save_stack_trace_fast() Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12   ` Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12 ` [PATCH v4 09/15] lockdep: Make print_circular_bug() crosslock-aware Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12   ` Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12 ` [PATCH v4 10/15] lockdep: Apply crossrelease to completion operation Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12   ` Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12 ` [PATCH v4 11/15] pagemap.h: Remove trailing white space Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12   ` Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12 ` [PATCH v4 12/15] lockdep: Apply crossrelease to PG_locked lock Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12   ` Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12 ` [PATCH v4 13/15] lockdep: Apply lock_acquire(release) on __Set(__Clear)PageLocked Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12   ` Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12 ` [PATCH v4 14/15] lockdep: Move data used in CONFIG_LOCKDEP_PAGELOCK from page to page_ext Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12   ` Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12 ` [PATCH v4 15/15] lockdep: Crossrelease feature documentation Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:12   ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-10 20:08   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2017-01-10 20:08     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-11  1:29     ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-11  1:29       ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-18  6:42   ` Boqun Feng
2017-01-18 10:53     ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-18 10:53       ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-18 11:03       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-18 11:03         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-18 11:54         ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-18 11:54           ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-18 12:07           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-18 12:07             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-18 12:14             ` byungchul.park
2017-01-18 12:14               ` byungchul.park
2017-01-18 14:12               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-18 14:12                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-01-19  1:54                 ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-19  1:54                   ` Byungchul Park
2017-01-18 12:49             ` byungchul.park
2017-01-18 12:49               ` byungchul.park
2016-12-09  5:21 ` [FYI] Output of 'cat /proc/lockdep' after applying crossrelease Byungchul Park
2016-12-09  5:21   ` Byungchul Park

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