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From: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@redhat.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
	willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	john.fastabend@gmail.com, Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@mellanox.com>,
	bjorn.topel@intel.com,
	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	Tariq Toukan <tariqt@mellanox.com>,
	brouer@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/4] page_pool: basic implementation of page_pool
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 08:10:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170111081052.1df59d4d@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170109215825.k4grwyhffiv6wksp@techsingularity.net>

On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 21:58:26 +0000
Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 09:45:24PM +0100, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
> > > I see. I guess if all page pool pages were order>0 compound pages, you
> > > could hook this to the existing compound_dtor functionality instead.  
> > 
> > The page_pool will support order>0 pages, but it is the order-0 case
> > that is optimized for.
> >   
> 
> The bulk allocator is currently not suitable for high-order pages. It would
> take more work to do that but is not necessarily even a good idea. FWIW,
> the high-order per-cpu page allocator posted some weeks ago would be the
> basis. I didn't push that series as the benefit to SLUB was too marginal
> given the complexity.
> 
> > > Well typically the VMA mapped pages are those on the LRU list (anonymous
> > > or file). But I don't suppose you will want memory reclaim to free your
> > > pages, so seems lru field should be reusable for you.  
> > 
> > Thanks for the info.
> > 
> > So, LRU-list area could be reusable, but I does not align so well with
> > the bulking API Mel just introduced/proposed, but still doable.
> >   
> 
> That's a relatively minor implementation detail. I needed something to
> hang the pages onto for returning. Using a list and page->lru is a standard
> approach but it does not mandate that the caller preserve page->lru or that
> it's related to the LRU. The caller simply needs to put the pages back onto
> a list if it's bulk freeing or call __free_pages() directly for each page.
> If any in-kernel user uses __free_pages() then the free_pages_bulk()
> API can be dropped entirely.
> 
> I'm not intending to merge the bulk allocator due to a lack of in-kernel
> users and an inability to test in-kernel users.  It was simply designed to
> illustrate how to call the core of the page allocator in a way that avoids
> the really expensive checks. If required, the pages could be returned on
> a caller-allocated array or something exotic like using one page to store
> pointers to the rest. Either of those alternatives are harder to use. A
> caller-allocated array must be sure the nr_pages parameter is correct and
> the exotic approach would require careful use by the caller. Using page->lru
> was more straight-forward when the requirements of the callers was unknown.
> 
> It opens the question of what to do with that series. I was going to wait
> for feedback but my intent was to try merge patches 1-3 if there were no
> objections and preferably with your reviewed-by or ack. I would then hand
> patch 4 over to you for addition to a series that added in-kernel callers to
> alloc_pages_bulk() be that the generic pool recycle or modifying drivers.
> You are then free to modify the API to suit your needs without having to
> figure out the best way of calling the page allocator.

I think that sound like a good plan.

Your patches 1-3 is a significant performance improvement for the page
allocator, and I want to see those merged.  Don't want to block it with
patch 4 (bulking).

I'm going to do some (more) testing on your patchset, and then ACK the
patches.

-- 
Best regards,
  Jesper Dangaard Brouer
  MSc.CS, Principal Kernel Engineer at Red Hat
  LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/brouer

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From: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@redhat.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
	willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	john.fastabend@gmail.com, Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@mellanox.com>,
	bjorn.topel@intel.com,
	Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
	Tariq Toukan <tariqt@mellanox.com>,
	brouer@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/4] page_pool: basic implementation of page_pool
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 08:10:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170111081052.1df59d4d@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170109215825.k4grwyhffiv6wksp@techsingularity.net>

On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 21:58:26 +0000
Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 09:45:24PM +0100, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
> > > I see. I guess if all page pool pages were order>0 compound pages, you
> > > could hook this to the existing compound_dtor functionality instead.  
> > 
> > The page_pool will support order>0 pages, but it is the order-0 case
> > that is optimized for.
> >   
> 
> The bulk allocator is currently not suitable for high-order pages. It would
> take more work to do that but is not necessarily even a good idea. FWIW,
> the high-order per-cpu page allocator posted some weeks ago would be the
> basis. I didn't push that series as the benefit to SLUB was too marginal
> given the complexity.
> 
> > > Well typically the VMA mapped pages are those on the LRU list (anonymous
> > > or file). But I don't suppose you will want memory reclaim to free your
> > > pages, so seems lru field should be reusable for you.  
> > 
> > Thanks for the info.
> > 
> > So, LRU-list area could be reusable, but I does not align so well with
> > the bulking API Mel just introduced/proposed, but still doable.
> >   
> 
> That's a relatively minor implementation detail. I needed something to
> hang the pages onto for returning. Using a list and page->lru is a standard
> approach but it does not mandate that the caller preserve page->lru or that
> it's related to the LRU. The caller simply needs to put the pages back onto
> a list if it's bulk freeing or call __free_pages() directly for each page.
> If any in-kernel user uses __free_pages() then the free_pages_bulk()
> API can be dropped entirely.
> 
> I'm not intending to merge the bulk allocator due to a lack of in-kernel
> users and an inability to test in-kernel users.  It was simply designed to
> illustrate how to call the core of the page allocator in a way that avoids
> the really expensive checks. If required, the pages could be returned on
> a caller-allocated array or something exotic like using one page to store
> pointers to the rest. Either of those alternatives are harder to use. A
> caller-allocated array must be sure the nr_pages parameter is correct and
> the exotic approach would require careful use by the caller. Using page->lru
> was more straight-forward when the requirements of the callers was unknown.
> 
> It opens the question of what to do with that series. I was going to wait
> for feedback but my intent was to try merge patches 1-3 if there were no
> objections and preferably with your reviewed-by or ack. I would then hand
> patch 4 over to you for addition to a series that added in-kernel callers to
> alloc_pages_bulk() be that the generic pool recycle or modifying drivers.
> You are then free to modify the API to suit your needs without having to
> figure out the best way of calling the page allocator.

I think that sound like a good plan.

Your patches 1-3 is a significant performance improvement for the page
allocator, and I want to see those merged.  Don't want to block it with
patch 4 (bulking).

I'm going to do some (more) testing on your patchset, and then ACK the
patches.

-- 
Best regards,
  Jesper Dangaard Brouer
  MSc.CS, Principal Kernel Engineer at Red Hat
  LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/brouer

  reply	other threads:[~2017-01-11  7:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-20 13:28 [RFC PATCH 0/4] page_pool proof-of-concept early code Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-12-20 13:28 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] doc: page_pool introduction documentation Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-12-20 13:28 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] page_pool: basic implementation of page_pool Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-12-20 13:28   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-01-03 16:07   ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-01-04 11:00     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-01-09 10:43       ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-01-09 20:45         ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-01-09 21:58           ` Mel Gorman
2017-01-11  7:10             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer [this message]
2017-01-11  7:10               ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-01-06  5:08   ` [lkp-developer] [page_pool] 50a8fe7622: kernel_BUG_at_mm/slub.c kernel test robot
2017-01-06  5:08     ` kernel test robot
2017-01-06  5:08     ` kernel test robot
2017-01-06  7:27     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2017-01-06  7:27       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-12-20 13:28 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] mlx5: use page_pool Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-12-20 13:28 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] page_pool: change refcnt model Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-12-20 13:28   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer

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