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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Laura Abbott <labbott@redhat.com>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	wsd_upstream@mediatek.com,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Miles Chen <miles.chen@mediatek.com>,
	linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] arm64: dump: hide kernel pointers
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 03:52:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170301035214.GA12637@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ae6f608f-6c84-b999-d238-a74f6f42d2e5@redhat.com>

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 02:55:51PM -0800, Laura Abbott wrote:
> On 02/28/2017 02:04 AM, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 08:42:51AM +0000, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> >> On 28 February 2017 at 07:05, Miles Chen <miles.chen@mediatek.com> wrote:
> >>> Mask kernel pointers of /sys/kernel/debug/kernel_page_tables entry like
> >>> /proc/vmallocinfo does.
> >>>
> >>> With sysctl kernel.kptr_restrict=0 or 1:
> >>> cat /sys/kernel/debug/kernel_page_tables
> >>
> >> I wonder if this file should be accessible at all if kptr_restrict > 0
> > 
> > I don't have strong feelings either way.
> > 
> > This isn't typically enabled, and it's under debugfs, so this shouldn't
> > be accessible by a typical user anyhow.
> > 
> > That said, there are very few of us who need to take a look at this
> > file. I'm happy to deal with attacking kptr_restrict when required.
> > 
> 
> In the interest of security it's probably for the best to switch to the
> restricted pointer. Who knows what might get enabled or forgotten about.
> I don't like the idea of tying enablement of the file to kptr_restrict
> though.

... but it's also pretty weird to show the sizes, mapping type and
permissions yet hide the virtual addresses. If you want to keep the file
in spite of kptr_restrict, which bits are actually useful once the
addresses are nobbled?

Will

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: will.deacon@arm.com (Will Deacon)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] arm64: dump: hide kernel pointers
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 03:52:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170301035214.GA12637@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ae6f608f-6c84-b999-d238-a74f6f42d2e5@redhat.com>

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 02:55:51PM -0800, Laura Abbott wrote:
> On 02/28/2017 02:04 AM, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 08:42:51AM +0000, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> >> On 28 February 2017 at 07:05, Miles Chen <miles.chen@mediatek.com> wrote:
> >>> Mask kernel pointers of /sys/kernel/debug/kernel_page_tables entry like
> >>> /proc/vmallocinfo does.
> >>>
> >>> With sysctl kernel.kptr_restrict=0 or 1:
> >>> cat /sys/kernel/debug/kernel_page_tables
> >>
> >> I wonder if this file should be accessible at all if kptr_restrict > 0
> > 
> > I don't have strong feelings either way.
> > 
> > This isn't typically enabled, and it's under debugfs, so this shouldn't
> > be accessible by a typical user anyhow.
> > 
> > That said, there are very few of us who need to take a look at this
> > file. I'm happy to deal with attacking kptr_restrict when required.
> > 
> 
> In the interest of security it's probably for the best to switch to the
> restricted pointer. Who knows what might get enabled or forgotten about.
> I don't like the idea of tying enablement of the file to kptr_restrict
> though.

... but it's also pretty weird to show the sizes, mapping type and
permissions yet hide the virtual addresses. If you want to keep the file
in spite of kptr_restrict, which bits are actually useful once the
addresses are nobbled?

Will

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Laura Abbott <labbott@redhat.com>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	Miles Chen <miles.chen@mediatek.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	wsd_upstream@mediatek.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] arm64: dump: hide kernel pointers
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 03:52:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170301035214.GA12637@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ae6f608f-6c84-b999-d238-a74f6f42d2e5@redhat.com>

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 02:55:51PM -0800, Laura Abbott wrote:
> On 02/28/2017 02:04 AM, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 08:42:51AM +0000, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> >> On 28 February 2017 at 07:05, Miles Chen <miles.chen@mediatek.com> wrote:
> >>> Mask kernel pointers of /sys/kernel/debug/kernel_page_tables entry like
> >>> /proc/vmallocinfo does.
> >>>
> >>> With sysctl kernel.kptr_restrict=0 or 1:
> >>> cat /sys/kernel/debug/kernel_page_tables
> >>
> >> I wonder if this file should be accessible at all if kptr_restrict > 0
> > 
> > I don't have strong feelings either way.
> > 
> > This isn't typically enabled, and it's under debugfs, so this shouldn't
> > be accessible by a typical user anyhow.
> > 
> > That said, there are very few of us who need to take a look at this
> > file. I'm happy to deal with attacking kptr_restrict when required.
> > 
> 
> In the interest of security it's probably for the best to switch to the
> restricted pointer. Who knows what might get enabled or forgotten about.
> I don't like the idea of tying enablement of the file to kptr_restrict
> though.

... but it's also pretty weird to show the sizes, mapping type and
permissions yet hide the virtual addresses. If you want to keep the file
in spite of kptr_restrict, which bits are actually useful once the
addresses are nobbled?

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-01  3:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-28  7:05 [PATCH] arm64: dump: hide kernel pointers Miles Chen
2017-02-28  7:05 ` Miles Chen
2017-02-28  7:05 ` Miles Chen
2017-02-28  8:42 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-02-28  8:42   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-02-28  8:42   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-02-28 10:04   ` Mark Rutland
2017-02-28 10:04     ` Mark Rutland
2017-02-28 10:04     ` Mark Rutland
2017-02-28 22:55     ` Laura Abbott
2017-02-28 22:55       ` Laura Abbott
2017-02-28 22:55       ` Laura Abbott
2017-03-01  3:52       ` Will Deacon [this message]
2017-03-01  3:52         ` Will Deacon
2017-03-01  3:52         ` Will Deacon
     [not found]         ` <20170301035214.GA12637-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-01 15:18           ` Laura Abbott
2017-03-01 15:18             ` Laura Abbott
2017-03-01 15:18             ` Laura Abbott

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