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From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Vineet Gupta <Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com>,
	"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Haavard Skinnemoen <hskinnemoen@gmail.com>,
	Steven Miao <realmz6@gmail.com>,
	Jesper Nilsson <jesper.nilsson@axis.com>,
	Mark Salter <msalter@redhat.com>,
	Yoshinori Sato <ysato@users.sourceforge.jp>,
	Richard Kuo <rkuo@codeaurora.org>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	James Hogan <james.hogan@imgtec.com>,
	Michal Simek <monstr@monstr.eu>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Ley Foon Tan <lftan@altera.com>, Jonas Bonn <jonas@southpole>
Subject: Re: [RFC][CFT][PATCHSET v1] uaccess unification
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 16:31:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170330153159.GP29622@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzvcU7sNa_qp6pkYau20RwL3UVDw5-dmce0EE1MX7JuKg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 04:43:05PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> > As for __copy_in_user()... I'm not sure we want to keep it in the long run -
> 
> I agree, it's probably not worth it at all.
> 
> In fact, I suspect none of the "__copy_.*_user()" versions are worth
> it, and we should strive to remove them.
> 
> There aren't even that many users, and they _have_ caused security
> issues when people have had some path that hasn't checked the range.

Actually, looking through those users shows some very odd places: for example,
sctp_setsockopt_bindx() does
        /* Check the user passed a healthy pointer.  */
        if (unlikely(!access_ok(VERIFY_READ, addrs, addrs_size)))
                return -EFAULT;

        /* Alloc space for the address array in kernel memory.  */
        kaddrs = kmalloc(addrs_size, GFP_USER | __GFP_NOWARN);
        if (unlikely(!kaddrs))
                return -ENOMEM;

        if (__copy_from_user(kaddrs, addrs, addrs_size)) {
                kfree(kaddrs);
                return -EFAULT;
        }
The obvious question is "why not memdup_user()?" and rationale looks fishy:
 * We don't use copy_from_user() for optimization: we first do the
 * sanity checks (buffer size -fast- and access check-healthy
 * pointer); if all of those succeed, then we can alloc the memory
 * (expensive operation) needed to copy the data to kernel. Then we do
 * the copying without checking the user space area
 * (__copy_from_user()).
plus that:
    sctp: use GFP_USER for user-controlled kmalloc
    
    Dmitry Vyukov reported that the user could trigger a kernel warning by
    using a large len value for getsockopt SCTP_GET_LOCAL_ADDRS, as that
    value directly affects the value used as a kmalloc() parameter.
    
    This patch thus switches the allocation flags from all user-controllable
    kmalloc size to GFP_USER to put some more restrictions on it and also
    disables the warn, as they are not necessary.

First of all, access_ok() for sanity checks on size is BS - on some
architectures it's constant 1 and on *all* architectures it allows a lot
more than what kmalloc() will.  So it won't stop a malicious program from
getting to kmalloc() and wasting its cycles and it's not much help with
buggy ones.  __GFP_NOWARN part is more interesting, but... the quoted
commit misses memdup_user() calls in other setsockopt cases on the same
sctp.  So if we care about that one, we probably should care about the
rest of them as well, and I doubt that open-coding each is a good solution.
Something like kvmemdup_user(), perhaps?  I.e. quiet fallback to vmalloc
on large sizes/in case when kmalloc barfs, with kvfree on the freeing side?
Or just a flat-out check for some reasonably upper limit on optlen in
the very beginning?

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Vineet Gupta <Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com>,
	"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Haavard Skinnemoen <hskinnemoen@gmail.com>,
	Steven Miao <realmz6@gmail.com>,
	Jesper Nilsson <jesper.nilsson@axis.com>,
	Mark Salter <msalter@redhat.com>,
	Yoshinori Sato <ysato@users.sourceforge.jp>,
	Richard Kuo <rkuo@codeaurora.org>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	James Hogan <james.hogan@imgtec.com>,
	Michal Simek <monstr@monstr.eu>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Ley Foon Tan <lftan@altera.com>, Jonas Bonn <jonas@southpole.se>,
	Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Chen Liqin <liqin.linux@gmail.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@mellanox.com>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Guan Xuetao <gxt@mprc.pku.edu.cn>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Chris Zankel <chris@zankel.net>
Subject: Re: [RFC][CFT][PATCHSET v1] uaccess unification
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 16:31:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170330153159.GP29622@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
Message-ID: <20170330153159.SPq2D3jYkIwnrgjF0DJCNi5rImSETqFvmQ6q2QpsBQI@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzvcU7sNa_qp6pkYau20RwL3UVDw5-dmce0EE1MX7JuKg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 04:43:05PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> > As for __copy_in_user()... I'm not sure we want to keep it in the long run -
> 
> I agree, it's probably not worth it at all.
> 
> In fact, I suspect none of the "__copy_.*_user()" versions are worth
> it, and we should strive to remove them.
> 
> There aren't even that many users, and they _have_ caused security
> issues when people have had some path that hasn't checked the range.

Actually, looking through those users shows some very odd places: for example,
sctp_setsockopt_bindx() does
        /* Check the user passed a healthy pointer.  */
        if (unlikely(!access_ok(VERIFY_READ, addrs, addrs_size)))
                return -EFAULT;

        /* Alloc space for the address array in kernel memory.  */
        kaddrs = kmalloc(addrs_size, GFP_USER | __GFP_NOWARN);
        if (unlikely(!kaddrs))
                return -ENOMEM;

        if (__copy_from_user(kaddrs, addrs, addrs_size)) {
                kfree(kaddrs);
                return -EFAULT;
        }
The obvious question is "why not memdup_user()?" and rationale looks fishy:
 * We don't use copy_from_user() for optimization: we first do the
 * sanity checks (buffer size -fast- and access check-healthy
 * pointer); if all of those succeed, then we can alloc the memory
 * (expensive operation) needed to copy the data to kernel. Then we do
 * the copying without checking the user space area
 * (__copy_from_user()).
plus that:
    sctp: use GFP_USER for user-controlled kmalloc
    
    Dmitry Vyukov reported that the user could trigger a kernel warning by
    using a large len value for getsockopt SCTP_GET_LOCAL_ADDRS, as that
    value directly affects the value used as a kmalloc() parameter.
    
    This patch thus switches the allocation flags from all user-controllable
    kmalloc size to GFP_USER to put some more restrictions on it and also
    disables the warn, as they are not necessary.

First of all, access_ok() for sanity checks on size is BS - on some
architectures it's constant 1 and on *all* architectures it allows a lot
more than what kmalloc() will.  So it won't stop a malicious program from
getting to kmalloc() and wasting its cycles and it's not much help with
buggy ones.  __GFP_NOWARN part is more interesting, but... the quoted
commit misses memdup_user() calls in other setsockopt cases on the same
sctp.  So if we care about that one, we probably should care about the
rest of them as well, and I doubt that open-coding each is a good solution.
Something like kvmemdup_user(), perhaps?  I.e. quiet fallback to vmalloc
on large sizes/in case when kmalloc barfs, with kvfree on the freeing side?
Or just a flat-out check for some reasonably upper limit on optlen in
the very beginning?

  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-30 15:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-29  5:57 [RFC][CFT][PATCHSET v1] uaccess unification Al Viro
2017-03-29  5:57 ` Al Viro
2017-03-29 20:08 ` Vineet Gupta
2017-03-29 20:08   ` Vineet Gupta
2017-03-29 20:08   ` Vineet Gupta
2017-03-29 20:29   ` Al Viro
2017-03-29 20:29     ` Al Viro
2017-03-29 20:37     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-29 20:37       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-29 21:03       ` Al Viro
2017-03-29 21:03         ` Al Viro
2017-03-29 21:24         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-29 21:24           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-29 23:09           ` Al Viro
2017-03-29 23:09             ` Al Viro
2017-03-29 23:43             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-29 23:43               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30 15:31               ` Al Viro [this message]
2017-03-30 15:31                 ` Al Viro
2017-03-29 21:14     ` Vineet Gupta
2017-03-29 21:14       ` Vineet Gupta
2017-03-29 23:42       ` Al Viro
2017-03-29 23:42         ` Al Viro
2017-03-30  0:02         ` Vineet Gupta
2017-03-30  0:02           ` Vineet Gupta
2017-03-30  0:27           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30  0:27             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30  1:15             ` Al Viro
2017-03-30  1:15               ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 20:40             ` Vineet Gupta
2017-03-30 20:40               ` Vineet Gupta
2017-03-30 20:59               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30 20:59                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30 23:21                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-30 23:21                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-30 12:32 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-03-30 12:32   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-03-30 14:48   ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 14:48     ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 16:22 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-30 16:22   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-30 16:43   ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 16:43     ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 17:18     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30 17:18       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30 18:48       ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 18:48         ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 18:54         ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 18:54           ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 18:59           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30 18:59             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30 19:10             ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 19:10               ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 19:19               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30 19:19                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30 21:08                 ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 21:08                   ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 18:56         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30 18:56           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-31  0:21 ` Kees Cook
2017-03-31  0:21   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-31 13:38   ` James Hogan
2017-03-31 13:38     ` James Hogan
2017-04-03 16:27 ` James Morse
2017-04-03 16:27   ` James Morse
2017-04-04 20:26 ` Max Filippov
2017-04-04 20:26   ` Max Filippov
2017-04-04 20:26   ` Max Filippov
2017-04-04 20:52   ` Al Viro
2017-04-04 20:52     ` Al Viro
2017-04-05  5:05 ` ia64 exceptions (Re: [RFC][CFT][PATCHSET v1] uaccess unification) Al Viro
2017-04-05  5:05   ` Al Viro
2017-04-05  8:08   ` Al Viro
2017-04-05  8:08     ` Al Viro
2017-04-05 18:44     ` Tony Luck
2017-04-05 18:44       ` Tony Luck
2017-04-05 20:33       ` Al Viro
2017-04-05 20:33         ` Al Viro
2017-04-07  0:24 ` [RFC][CFT][PATCHSET v2] uaccess unification Al Viro
2017-04-07  0:24   ` Al Viro
2017-04-07  0:35   ` Al Viro
2017-04-07  0:35     ` Al Viro
     [not found] <CACVxJT8+fQqvpSPb9rTWFy6g7moqUqxi+Ewjcg0ykuqo=vm4Ow@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-30 13:27 ` [RFC][CFT][PATCHSET v1] " Alexey Dobriyan

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