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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl-vYTEC60ixJUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Li Zefan <lizefan-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Mel Gorman
	<mgorman-3eNAlZScCAx27rWaFMvyedHuzzzSOjJt@public.gmane.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli
	<aarcange-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Anshuman Khandual
	<khandual-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov"
	<kirill.shutemov-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/6] mm, page_alloc: fix more premature OOM due to race with cpuset update
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 16:56:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170517145645.GO18247@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1705170943090.8714-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>

On Wed 17-05-17 09:48:25, Cristopher Lameter wrote:
> On Wed, 17 May 2017, Michal Hocko wrote:
> 
> > > > So how are you going to distinguish VM_FAULT_OOM from an empty mempolicy
> > > > case in a raceless way?
> > >
> > > You dont have to do that if you do not create an empty mempolicy in the
> > > first place. The current kernel code avoids that by first allowing access
> > > to the new set of nodes and removing the old ones from the set when done.
> >
> > which is racy and as Vlastimil pointed out. If we simply fail such an
> > allocation the failure will go up the call chain until we hit the OOM
> > killer due to VM_FAULT_OOM. How would you want to handle that?
> 
> The race is where? If you expand the node set during the move of the
> application then you are safe in terms of the legacy apps that did not
> include static bindings.

I am pretty sure it is describe in those changelogs and I won't repeat
it here.

> If you have screwy things like static mbinds in there then you are
> hopelessly lost anyways. You may have moved the process to another set
> of nodes but the static bindings may refer to a node no longer
> available. Thus the OOM is legitimate.

The point is that you do _not_ want such a process to trigger the OOM
because it can cause other processes being killed.

> At least a user space app could inspect
> the situation and come up with custom ways of dealing with the mess.

I do not really see how would this help to prevent a malicious user from
playing tricks.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Anshuman Khandual <khandual@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/6] mm, page_alloc: fix more premature OOM due to race with cpuset update
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 16:56:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170517145645.GO18247@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1705170943090.8714@east.gentwo.org>

On Wed 17-05-17 09:48:25, Cristopher Lameter wrote:
> On Wed, 17 May 2017, Michal Hocko wrote:
> 
> > > > So how are you going to distinguish VM_FAULT_OOM from an empty mempolicy
> > > > case in a raceless way?
> > >
> > > You dont have to do that if you do not create an empty mempolicy in the
> > > first place. The current kernel code avoids that by first allowing access
> > > to the new set of nodes and removing the old ones from the set when done.
> >
> > which is racy and as Vlastimil pointed out. If we simply fail such an
> > allocation the failure will go up the call chain until we hit the OOM
> > killer due to VM_FAULT_OOM. How would you want to handle that?
> 
> The race is where? If you expand the node set during the move of the
> application then you are safe in terms of the legacy apps that did not
> include static bindings.

I am pretty sure it is describe in those changelogs and I won't repeat
it here.

> If you have screwy things like static mbinds in there then you are
> hopelessly lost anyways. You may have moved the process to another set
> of nodes but the static bindings may refer to a node no longer
> available. Thus the OOM is legitimate.

The point is that you do _not_ want such a process to trigger the OOM
because it can cause other processes being killed.

> At least a user space app could inspect
> the situation and come up with custom ways of dealing with the mess.

I do not really see how would this help to prevent a malicious user from
playing tricks.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Anshuman Khandual <khandual@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/6] mm, page_alloc: fix more premature OOM due to race with cpuset update
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 16:56:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170517145645.GO18247@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1705170943090.8714@east.gentwo.org>

On Wed 17-05-17 09:48:25, Cristopher Lameter wrote:
> On Wed, 17 May 2017, Michal Hocko wrote:
> 
> > > > So how are you going to distinguish VM_FAULT_OOM from an empty mempolicy
> > > > case in a raceless way?
> > >
> > > You dont have to do that if you do not create an empty mempolicy in the
> > > first place. The current kernel code avoids that by first allowing access
> > > to the new set of nodes and removing the old ones from the set when done.
> >
> > which is racy and as Vlastimil pointed out. If we simply fail such an
> > allocation the failure will go up the call chain until we hit the OOM
> > killer due to VM_FAULT_OOM. How would you want to handle that?
> 
> The race is where? If you expand the node set during the move of the
> application then you are safe in terms of the legacy apps that did not
> include static bindings.

I am pretty sure it is describe in those changelogs and I won't repeat
it here.

> If you have screwy things like static mbinds in there then you are
> hopelessly lost anyways. You may have moved the process to another set
> of nodes but the static bindings may refer to a node no longer
> available. Thus the OOM is legitimate.

The point is that you do _not_ want such a process to trigger the OOM
because it can cause other processes being killed.

> At least a user space app could inspect
> the situation and come up with custom ways of dealing with the mess.

I do not really see how would this help to prevent a malicious user from
playing tricks.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-05-17 14:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-11 14:06 [RFC 0/6] cpuset/mempolicies related fixes and cleanups Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-11 14:06 ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-11 14:06 ` [RFC 1/6] mm, page_alloc: fix more premature OOM due to race with cpuset update Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-11 14:06   ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-11 17:24   ` Christoph Lameter
2017-04-11 17:24     ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]     ` <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704111152170.25069-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-11 19:00       ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-11 19:00         ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-11 19:00         ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-12 21:25         ` Christoph Lameter
2017-04-12 21:25           ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]           ` <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704121617040.28335-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-13  6:24             ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-13  6:24               ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-13  6:24               ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-14 20:37               ` Christoph Lameter
2017-04-14 20:37                 ` Christoph Lameter
2017-04-26  8:07                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-26  8:07                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-30 21:33                   ` Christoph Lameter
2017-04-30 21:33                     ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                     ` <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704301628460.21533-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-17  9:20                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-17  9:20                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-17  9:20                         ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                         ` <20170517092042.GH18247-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-17 13:56                           ` Christoph Lameter
2017-05-17 13:56                             ` Christoph Lameter
2017-05-17 13:56                             ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                             ` <alpine.DEB.2.20.1705170855430.7925-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-17 14:05                               ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-17 14:05                                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-17 14:05                                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-17 14:48                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2017-05-17 14:48                                   ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                   ` <alpine.DEB.2.20.1705170943090.8714-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-17 14:56                                     ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2017-05-17 14:56                                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-17 14:56                                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-17 15:25                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2017-05-17 15:25                                         ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                         ` <alpine.DEB.2.20.1705171021570.9487-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-18  9:08                                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-18  9:08                                             ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-18  9:08                                             ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                             ` <20170518090846.GD25462-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-18 16:57                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2017-05-18 16:57                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2017-05-18 16:57                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                                 ` <alpine.DEB.2.20.1705181154450.27641-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-18 17:24                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-18 17:24                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-18 17:24                                                     ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                                     ` <20170518172424.GB30148-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-18 19:07                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2017-05-18 19:07                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2017-05-18 19:07                                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2017-05-19  7:37                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-19  7:37                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2017-05-17 15:27                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2017-05-17 15:27                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2017-05-18 10:03                                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-05-18 10:03                                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-05-18 17:07                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2017-05-18 17:07                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2017-05-19 11:27                                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-05-19 11:27                                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-13  5:42   ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-04-13  5:42     ` Anshuman Khandual
2017-04-13  6:06     ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-13  6:06       ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-13  6:07       ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-13  6:07         ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-11 14:06 ` [RFC 2/6] mm, mempolicy: stop adjusting current->il_next in mpol_rebind_nodemask() Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-11 14:06   ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-11 17:32   ` Christoph Lameter
2017-04-11 17:32     ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]     ` <alpine.DEB.2.20.1704111227080.25069-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-11 19:03       ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-11 19:03         ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-11 19:03         ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-12  8:49         ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-12  8:49           ` Vlastimil Babka
     [not found]           ` <97045760-77eb-c892-9bcb-daad10a1d91d-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-12 21:16             ` Christoph Lameter
2017-04-12 21:16               ` Christoph Lameter
2017-04-12 21:16               ` Christoph Lameter
2017-04-12 21:18               ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-12 21:18                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-11 14:06 ` [RFC 3/6] mm, page_alloc: pass preferred nid instead of zonelist to allocator Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-11 14:06   ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-11 14:06 ` [RFC 4/6] mm, mempolicy: simplify rebinding mempolicies when updating cpusets Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-11 14:06   ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-11 14:06 ` [RFC 5/6] mm, cpuset: always use seqlock when changing task's nodemask Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-11 14:06   ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-12  8:10   ` Hillf Danton
2017-04-12  8:10     ` Hillf Danton
2017-04-12  8:18     ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-12  8:18       ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-12  8:18       ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-11 14:06 ` [RFC 6/6] mm, mempolicy: don't check cpuset seqlock where it doesn't matter Vlastimil Babka
2017-04-11 14:06   ` Vlastimil Babka

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