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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Linus Torvalds
	<torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Michael Kerrisk
	<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-man-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	libc-alpha <libc-alpha-9JcytcrH/bA+uJoB2kUjGw@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: signals: Bug or manpage inconsistency?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 21:18:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170530191847.GA23231@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFygrsUhzQzEOX7YLzxMWE_GbKhJjQZ7nSDXnFFbRAWCJA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On 05/30, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Oleg Nesterov <oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >
> > I can't comment, I never tried to understand the rationality behind the current
> > behaviour. But at least the sending path should never drop a blocked SIG_DFL
> > signal, there is no other way to ensure you won't miss a signal during exec.
>
> Note that both SIG_DFL _and_ SIG_IGN are possible after exec,

Yes, if it was already ignored before exec. But ignoring the compatibility the
only important case is when it is SIG_DFL because of flush_signal_handlers().

> SIG_IGN doesn't mean "ignore signal forever". It means "ignore signals
> right now", and I think that our current signal blocking semantics are
> likely the correct ones,

I am not saying it is incorrect, but I agree with Thomas in that this
sigismember(t->blocked) in sig_ignored() doesn't look really nice.

> exactly because it means "when you start
> blocking signals, the kernel will not drop them".

if the process is singe-threaded or the signal is private, or it is blocked
by all threads. Otherwise it will wakeup another thread for no reason, the
signal will be dropped in get_signal().

And again, this doesn't look consistent with do_sigaction(). It even has a
comment which explains that we want to flush the ignored signals, blocked
or not.

Nevermind, I am not trying to argue, and

> So again, I really wouldn't want to change existing semantics unless
> there is a big real reason for it. Our current semantics are not
> wrong.

I certainly agree.

Oleg.

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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	linux-man@vger.kernel.org, libc-alpha <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: signals: Bug or manpage inconsistency?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 21:18:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170530191847.GA23231@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFygrsUhzQzEOX7YLzxMWE_GbKhJjQZ7nSDXnFFbRAWCJA@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/30, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > I can't comment, I never tried to understand the rationality behind the current
> > behaviour. But at least the sending path should never drop a blocked SIG_DFL
> > signal, there is no other way to ensure you won't miss a signal during exec.
>
> Note that both SIG_DFL _and_ SIG_IGN are possible after exec,

Yes, if it was already ignored before exec. But ignoring the compatibility the
only important case is when it is SIG_DFL because of flush_signal_handlers().

> SIG_IGN doesn't mean "ignore signal forever". It means "ignore signals
> right now", and I think that our current signal blocking semantics are
> likely the correct ones,

I am not saying it is incorrect, but I agree with Thomas in that this
sigismember(t->blocked) in sig_ignored() doesn't look really nice.

> exactly because it means "when you start
> blocking signals, the kernel will not drop them".

if the process is singe-threaded or the signal is private, or it is blocked
by all threads. Otherwise it will wakeup another thread for no reason, the
signal will be dropped in get_signal().

And again, this doesn't look consistent with do_sigaction(). It even has a
comment which explains that we want to flush the ignored signals, blocked
or not.

Nevermind, I am not trying to argue, and

> So again, I really wouldn't want to change existing semantics unless
> there is a big real reason for it. Our current semantics are not
> wrong.

I certainly agree.

Oleg.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-05-30 19:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-30 13:21 signals: Bug or manpage inconsistency? Thomas Gleixner
2017-05-30 16:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-05-30 16:14   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-05-30 17:04   ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]     ` <20170530170414.GA22463-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-30 17:19       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-05-30 17:19         ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]         ` <CA+55aFygrsUhzQzEOX7YLzxMWE_GbKhJjQZ7nSDXnFFbRAWCJA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-30 19:18           ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2017-05-30 19:18             ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-05-30 20:54           ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-05-30 20:54             ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-05-31  0:48             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-31  0:48               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]               ` <87wp8xn96d.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-31  1:10                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-31  1:10                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-30 17:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-05-30 17:04   ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]   ` <CA+55aFwC_8RWygnZWtgT+COY8mGY_RnDSW_vrD=+1x_NyPxChw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-30 19:35     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-05-30 19:35       ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-05-30 19:58       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-05-30 19:58         ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]         ` <CA+55aFxhMrsBWCqw--s9defz257ruwBED5NHWzkJqpU3jGJhCw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-05-30 21:00           ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-05-30 21:00             ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-05-31  6:51 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2017-05-31  6:51   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2017-06-01  7:01 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-01  7:01   ` Eric W. Biederman

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