From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@gmail.com>
To: David Howells <dhowells-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: keyrings-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
linux-cifs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
linux-fscrypt-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Gwendal Grignou <gwendal-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
Paul Crowley
<paulcrowley-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Richard Weinberger <richard-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>,
Ryo Hashimoto <hashimoto-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Tyler Hicks <tyhicks-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>,
stable-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] KEYS: make keyctl_invalidate() also require Setattr permission
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2017 18:32:50 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170905183250.GA92687@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <13221.1504605295-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
Hi David,
On Tue, Sep 05, 2017 at 10:54:55AM +0100, David Howells wrote:
> Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This patch fixes the flaw by requiring both Search and Setattr permission to
> > invalidate a key rather than just Search permission.
>
> I'm not sure I agree. The problem is that you then have to grant someone
> Setattr permission for them to be able to do this, which then opens up a whole
> host of other things they can also do.
>
True, but Setattr permission has already been overloaded to allow several
different types of modifications, and it makes *much* more sense than Search
permission which should not allow any modifications. And in practice I expect
people care more about whether modifications are permitted or not, than the
details of the finer-grained permissions.
> > Requiring Setattr permission is appropriate because Setattr permission also
> > allows revoking (via keyctl_revoke()) or expiring (via keyctl_set_timeout())
> > the key, which also make the key inaccessible regardless of how many
> > keyrings it is in.
>
> Note that setting the expiry time is not really equivalent to revokation in
> this regard as setting the expiry time is something you do when setting up a
> key, whereas revokation is something you do later to kill a key off.
>
Sort of, but actually keyctl_set_timeout() can be called at any time, and the
timeout can be set to as little as 1 second. So I don't see how keyctl_revoke()
is that much different, fundamentally.
> How about another solution:
>
> (1) I add a flag to a key to say that it can be invalidated and a keyctl to
> change that flag.
And who would have permission to change that flag? It seems to be the same
problem again.
>
> (2) I add a new key type op called ->allow_invalidation() that allows key
> types to govern separately who is allowed to invalidate keys of that
> type.
>
> So, for instance, DNS record invalidation would require CAP_NET_ADMIN.
What would the behavior be if ->allow_invalidation() was not supplied? In other
words, would the purpose of this be to lock down invalidation of dns_resolver
keys, or to restrict invalidation to *only* dns_resolver keys?
>
> (3) Allow keyrings to be cleared by users who don't have Write permission but
> do have other permission, such as CAP_NET_ADMIN. This would need to be
> granted on a per-keyring basis.
Granted by who, and how? And do you mean keyctl_clear(), or
keyctl_invalidate()?
- Eric
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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers3-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: David Howells <dhowells-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: keyrings-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
linux-cifs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
linux-fscrypt-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Gwendal Grignou <gwendal-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
Paul Crowley
<paulcrowley-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Richard Weinberger <richard-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>,
Ryo Hashimoto <hashimoto-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Tyler Hicks <tyhicks-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>,
stable-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] KEYS: make keyctl_invalidate() also require Setattr permission
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:32:50 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170905183250.GA92687@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <13221.1504605295-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
Hi David,
On Tue, Sep 05, 2017 at 10:54:55AM +0100, David Howells wrote:
> Eric Biggers <ebiggers3-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> > This patch fixes the flaw by requiring both Search and Setattr permission to
> > invalidate a key rather than just Search permission.
>
> I'm not sure I agree. The problem is that you then have to grant someone
> Setattr permission for them to be able to do this, which then opens up a whole
> host of other things they can also do.
>
True, but Setattr permission has already been overloaded to allow several
different types of modifications, and it makes *much* more sense than Search
permission which should not allow any modifications. And in practice I expect
people care more about whether modifications are permitted or not, than the
details of the finer-grained permissions.
> > Requiring Setattr permission is appropriate because Setattr permission also
> > allows revoking (via keyctl_revoke()) or expiring (via keyctl_set_timeout())
> > the key, which also make the key inaccessible regardless of how many
> > keyrings it is in.
>
> Note that setting the expiry time is not really equivalent to revokation in
> this regard as setting the expiry time is something you do when setting up a
> key, whereas revokation is something you do later to kill a key off.
>
Sort of, but actually keyctl_set_timeout() can be called at any time, and the
timeout can be set to as little as 1 second. So I don't see how keyctl_revoke()
is that much different, fundamentally.
> How about another solution:
>
> (1) I add a flag to a key to say that it can be invalidated and a keyctl to
> change that flag.
And who would have permission to change that flag? It seems to be the same
problem again.
>
> (2) I add a new key type op called ->allow_invalidation() that allows key
> types to govern separately who is allowed to invalidate keys of that
> type.
>
> So, for instance, DNS record invalidation would require CAP_NET_ADMIN.
What would the behavior be if ->allow_invalidation() was not supplied? In other
words, would the purpose of this be to lock down invalidation of dns_resolver
keys, or to restrict invalidation to *only* dns_resolver keys?
>
> (3) Allow keyrings to be cleared by users who don't have Write permission but
> do have other permission, such as CAP_NET_ADMIN. This would need to be
> granted on a per-keyring basis.
Granted by who, and how? And do you mean keyctl_clear(), or
keyctl_invalidate()?
- Eric
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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@gmail.com>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: keyrings@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fscrypt@vger.kernel.org,
linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, Gwendal Grignou <gwendal@chromium.org>,
Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>,
Paul Crowley <paulcrowley@google.com>,
Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
Ryo Hashimoto <hashimoto@google.com>,
Tyler Hicks <tyhicks@canonical.com>,
stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] KEYS: make keyctl_invalidate() also require Setattr permission
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:32:50 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170905183250.GA92687@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <13221.1504605295@warthog.procyon.org.uk>
Hi David,
On Tue, Sep 05, 2017 at 10:54:55AM +0100, David Howells wrote:
> Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This patch fixes the flaw by requiring both Search and Setattr permission to
> > invalidate a key rather than just Search permission.
>
> I'm not sure I agree. The problem is that you then have to grant someone
> Setattr permission for them to be able to do this, which then opens up a whole
> host of other things they can also do.
>
True, but Setattr permission has already been overloaded to allow several
different types of modifications, and it makes *much* more sense than Search
permission which should not allow any modifications. And in practice I expect
people care more about whether modifications are permitted or not, than the
details of the finer-grained permissions.
> > Requiring Setattr permission is appropriate because Setattr permission also
> > allows revoking (via keyctl_revoke()) or expiring (via keyctl_set_timeout())
> > the key, which also make the key inaccessible regardless of how many
> > keyrings it is in.
>
> Note that setting the expiry time is not really equivalent to revokation in
> this regard as setting the expiry time is something you do when setting up a
> key, whereas revokation is something you do later to kill a key off.
>
Sort of, but actually keyctl_set_timeout() can be called at any time, and the
timeout can be set to as little as 1 second. So I don't see how keyctl_revoke()
is that much different, fundamentally.
> How about another solution:
>
> (1) I add a flag to a key to say that it can be invalidated and a keyctl to
> change that flag.
And who would have permission to change that flag? It seems to be the same
problem again.
>
> (2) I add a new key type op called ->allow_invalidation() that allows key
> types to govern separately who is allowed to invalidate keys of that
> type.
>
> So, for instance, DNS record invalidation would require CAP_NET_ADMIN.
What would the behavior be if ->allow_invalidation() was not supplied? In other
words, would the purpose of this be to lock down invalidation of dns_resolver
keys, or to restrict invalidation to *only* dns_resolver keys?
>
> (3) Allow keyrings to be cleared by users who don't have Write permission but
> do have other permission, such as CAP_NET_ADMIN. This would need to be
> granted on a per-keyring basis.
Granted by who, and how? And do you mean keyctl_clear(), or
keyctl_invalidate()?
- Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-09-05 18:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-08-16 21:14 [PATCH v2] KEYS: make keyctl_invalidate() also require Setattr permission Eric Biggers
2017-08-16 21:14 ` Eric Biggers
2017-08-16 21:14 ` Eric Biggers
[not found] ` <20170816211403.121920-1-ebiggers3-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-16 22:01 ` Tyler Hicks
2017-08-16 22:01 ` Tyler Hicks
2017-08-16 22:01 ` Tyler Hicks
2017-08-16 22:08 ` Joe Richey
2017-08-16 22:08 ` Joe Richey
2017-08-16 22:08 ` Joe Richey
2017-09-05 9:54 ` David Howells
2017-09-05 9:54 ` David Howells
2017-09-05 9:54 ` David Howells
[not found] ` <13221.1504605295-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2017-09-05 18:32 ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2017-09-05 18:32 ` Eric Biggers
2017-09-05 18:32 ` Eric Biggers
2017-09-08 15:41 ` David Howells
2017-09-08 15:41 ` David Howells
2017-09-17 7:25 ` Eric Biggers
2017-09-17 7:25 ` Eric Biggers
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