From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Pavel Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@oracle.com>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
catalin.marinas@arm.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, x86@kernel.org,
kasan-dev@googlegroups.com, borntraeger@de.ibm.com,
heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com, davem@davemloft.net,
willy@infradead.org, mhocko@kernel.org,
ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org, sam@ravnborg.org,
mgorman@techsingularity.net,
Steve Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>,
daniel.m.jordan@oracle.com, bob.picco@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 09/12] mm/kasan: kasan specific map populate function
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 19:48:34 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171009184834.GE30828@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOAebxu1310eCrk88EC=Oaw3n90-9RuHZ1KBhPvLu_DyXBNZFQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 02:42:32PM -0400, Pavel Tatashin wrote:
> Hi Will,
>
> In addition to what Michal wrote:
>
> > As an interim step, why not introduce something like
> > vmemmap_alloc_block_flags and make the page-table walking opt-out for
> > architectures that don't want it? Then we can just pass __GFP_ZERO from
> > our vmemmap_populate where necessary and other architectures can do the
> > page-table walking dance if they prefer.
>
> I do not see the benefit, implementing this approach means that we
> would need to implement two table walks instead of one: one for x86,
> another for ARM, as these two architectures support kasan. Also, this
> would become a requirement for any future architecture that want to
> add kasan support to add this page table walk implementation.
We have two table walks even with your patch series applied afaict: one in
our definition of vmemmap_populate (arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c) and this one
in the core code.
> >> IMO, while I understand that it looks strange that we must walk page
> >> table after creating it, it is a better approach: more enclosed as it
> >> effects kasan only, and more universal as it is in common code.
> >
> > I don't buy the more universal aspect, but I appreciate it's subjective.
> > Frankly, I'd just sooner not have core code walking early page tables if
> > it can be avoided, and it doesn't look hard to avoid it in this case.
> > The fact that you're having to add pmd_large and pud_large, which are
> > otherwise unused in mm/, is an indication that this isn't quite right imo.
>
> 28 +#define pmd_large(pmd) pmd_sect(pmd)
> 29 +#define pud_large(pud) pud_sect(pud)
>
> it is just naming difference, ARM64 calls them pmd_sect, common mm and
> other arches call them
> pmd_large/pud_large. Even the ARM has these defines in
>
> arm/include/asm/pgtable-3level.h
> arm/include/asm/pgtable-2level.h
My worry is that these are actually highly arch-specific, but will likely
grow more users in mm/ that assume things for all architectures that aren't
necessarily valid.
Will
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 09/12] mm/kasan: kasan specific map populate function
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 18:48:34 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171009184834.GE30828@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOAebxu1310eCrk88EC=Oaw3n90-9RuHZ1KBhPvLu_DyXBNZFQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 02:42:32PM -0400, Pavel Tatashin wrote:
> Hi Will,
>
> In addition to what Michal wrote:
>
> > As an interim step, why not introduce something like
> > vmemmap_alloc_block_flags and make the page-table walking opt-out for
> > architectures that don't want it? Then we can just pass __GFP_ZERO from
> > our vmemmap_populate where necessary and other architectures can do the
> > page-table walking dance if they prefer.
>
> I do not see the benefit, implementing this approach means that we
> would need to implement two table walks instead of one: one for x86,
> another for ARM, as these two architectures support kasan. Also, this
> would become a requirement for any future architecture that want to
> add kasan support to add this page table walk implementation.
We have two table walks even with your patch series applied afaict: one in
our definition of vmemmap_populate (arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c) and this one
in the core code.
> >> IMO, while I understand that it looks strange that we must walk page
> >> table after creating it, it is a better approach: more enclosed as it
> >> effects kasan only, and more universal as it is in common code.
> >
> > I don't buy the more universal aspect, but I appreciate it's subjective.
> > Frankly, I'd just sooner not have core code walking early page tables if
> > it can be avoided, and it doesn't look hard to avoid it in this case.
> > The fact that you're having to add pmd_large and pud_large, which are
> > otherwise unused in mm/, is an indication that this isn't quite right imo.
>
> 28 +#define pmd_large(pmd) pmd_sect(pmd)
> 29 +#define pud_large(pud) pud_sect(pud)
>
> it is just naming difference, ARM64 calls them pmd_sect, common mm and
> other arches call them
> pmd_large/pud_large. Even the ARM has these defines in
>
> arm/include/asm/pgtable-3level.h
> arm/include/asm/pgtable-2level.h
My worry is that these are actually highly arch-specific, but will likely
grow more users in mm/ that assume things for all architectures that aren't
necessarily valid.
Will
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: will.deacon@arm.com (Will Deacon)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v9 09/12] mm/kasan: kasan specific map populate function
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 19:48:34 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171009184834.GE30828@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOAebxu1310eCrk88EC=Oaw3n90-9RuHZ1KBhPvLu_DyXBNZFQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 02:42:32PM -0400, Pavel Tatashin wrote:
> Hi Will,
>
> In addition to what Michal wrote:
>
> > As an interim step, why not introduce something like
> > vmemmap_alloc_block_flags and make the page-table walking opt-out for
> > architectures that don't want it? Then we can just pass __GFP_ZERO from
> > our vmemmap_populate where necessary and other architectures can do the
> > page-table walking dance if they prefer.
>
> I do not see the benefit, implementing this approach means that we
> would need to implement two table walks instead of one: one for x86,
> another for ARM, as these two architectures support kasan. Also, this
> would become a requirement for any future architecture that want to
> add kasan support to add this page table walk implementation.
We have two table walks even with your patch series applied afaict: one in
our definition of vmemmap_populate (arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c) and this one
in the core code.
> >> IMO, while I understand that it looks strange that we must walk page
> >> table after creating it, it is a better approach: more enclosed as it
> >> effects kasan only, and more universal as it is in common code.
> >
> > I don't buy the more universal aspect, but I appreciate it's subjective.
> > Frankly, I'd just sooner not have core code walking early page tables if
> > it can be avoided, and it doesn't look hard to avoid it in this case.
> > The fact that you're having to add pmd_large and pud_large, which are
> > otherwise unused in mm/, is an indication that this isn't quite right imo.
>
> 28 +#define pmd_large(pmd) pmd_sect(pmd)
> 29 +#define pud_large(pud) pud_sect(pud)
>
> it is just naming difference, ARM64 calls them pmd_sect, common mm and
> other arches call them
> pmd_large/pud_large. Even the ARM has these defines in
>
> arm/include/asm/pgtable-3level.h
> arm/include/asm/pgtable-2level.h
My worry is that these are actually highly arch-specific, but will likely
grow more users in mm/ that assume things for all architectures that aren't
necessarily valid.
Will
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Pavel Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@oracle.com>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
catalin.marinas@arm.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, x86@kernel.org,
kasan-dev@googlegroups.com, borntraeger@de.ibm.com,
heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com, davem@davemloft.net,
willy@infradead.org, mhocko@kernel.org,
ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org, sam@ravnborg.org,
mgorman@techsingularity.net,
Steve Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>,
daniel.m.jordan@oracle.com, bob.picco@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 09/12] mm/kasan: kasan specific map populate function
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 19:48:34 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171009184834.GE30828@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOAebxu1310eCrk88EC=Oaw3n90-9RuHZ1KBhPvLu_DyXBNZFQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 02:42:32PM -0400, Pavel Tatashin wrote:
> Hi Will,
>
> In addition to what Michal wrote:
>
> > As an interim step, why not introduce something like
> > vmemmap_alloc_block_flags and make the page-table walking opt-out for
> > architectures that don't want it? Then we can just pass __GFP_ZERO from
> > our vmemmap_populate where necessary and other architectures can do the
> > page-table walking dance if they prefer.
>
> I do not see the benefit, implementing this approach means that we
> would need to implement two table walks instead of one: one for x86,
> another for ARM, as these two architectures support kasan. Also, this
> would become a requirement for any future architecture that want to
> add kasan support to add this page table walk implementation.
We have two table walks even with your patch series applied afaict: one in
our definition of vmemmap_populate (arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c) and this one
in the core code.
> >> IMO, while I understand that it looks strange that we must walk page
> >> table after creating it, it is a better approach: more enclosed as it
> >> effects kasan only, and more universal as it is in common code.
> >
> > I don't buy the more universal aspect, but I appreciate it's subjective.
> > Frankly, I'd just sooner not have core code walking early page tables if
> > it can be avoided, and it doesn't look hard to avoid it in this case.
> > The fact that you're having to add pmd_large and pud_large, which are
> > otherwise unused in mm/, is an indication that this isn't quite right imo.
>
> 28 +#define pmd_large(pmd) pmd_sect(pmd)
> 29 +#define pud_large(pud) pud_sect(pud)
>
> it is just naming difference, ARM64 calls them pmd_sect, common mm and
> other arches call them
> pmd_large/pud_large. Even the ARM has these defines in
>
> arm/include/asm/pgtable-3level.h
> arm/include/asm/pgtable-2level.h
My worry is that these are actually highly arch-specific, but will likely
grow more users in mm/ that assume things for all architectures that aren't
necessarily valid.
Will
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2017-09-20 20:17 [PATCH v9 00/12] complete deferred page initialization Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` [PATCH v9 01/12] x86/mm: setting fields in deferred pages Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-03 12:26 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 12:26 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 12:26 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 12:26 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 15:07 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:07 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:07 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:07 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` [PATCH v9 02/12] sparc64/mm: " Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-03 12:28 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 12:28 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 12:28 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 12:28 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 15:10 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:10 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:10 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:10 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` [PATCH v9 03/12] mm: deferred_init_memmap improvements Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-03 12:57 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 12:57 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 12:57 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 12:57 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 15:15 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:15 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:15 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:15 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 16:01 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 16:01 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 16:01 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 16:01 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-04 8:48 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-04 8:48 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-04 8:48 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-04 8:48 ` Michal Hocko
2017-09-20 20:17 ` [PATCH v9 04/12] sparc64: simplify vmemmap_populate Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-03 12:59 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 12:59 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 12:59 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 12:59 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 15:20 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:20 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:20 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:20 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` [PATCH v9 05/12] mm: defining memblock_virt_alloc_try_nid_raw Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` [PATCH v9 06/12] mm: zero struct pages during initialization Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-03 13:08 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 13:08 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 13:08 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 13:08 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 15:22 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:22 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:22 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:22 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-04 8:45 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-04 8:45 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-04 8:45 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-04 8:45 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-04 12:26 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-04 12:26 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-04 12:26 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-04 12:26 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` [PATCH v9 07/12] sparc64: optimized struct page zeroing Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` [PATCH v9 08/12] mm: zero reserved and unavailable struct pages Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-03 13:18 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 13:18 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 13:18 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 13:18 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 15:29 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:29 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:29 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:29 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-04 8:56 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-04 8:56 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-04 8:56 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-04 8:56 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-04 12:40 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-04 12:40 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-04 12:40 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-04 12:40 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-04 12:57 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-04 12:57 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-04 12:57 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-04 12:57 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-04 13:28 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-04 13:28 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-04 13:28 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-04 13:28 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-04 14:04 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-04 14:04 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-04 14:04 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-04 14:04 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-04 15:08 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-04 15:08 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-04 15:08 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-04 15:08 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` [PATCH v9 09/12] mm/kasan: kasan specific map populate function Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-03 14:48 ` Mark Rutland
2017-10-03 14:48 ` Mark Rutland
2017-10-03 14:48 ` Mark Rutland
2017-10-03 14:48 ` Mark Rutland
2017-10-03 15:04 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:04 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:04 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:04 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-09 17:13 ` Will Deacon
2017-10-09 17:13 ` Will Deacon
2017-10-09 17:13 ` Will Deacon
2017-10-09 17:13 ` Will Deacon
2017-10-09 17:51 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-09 17:51 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-09 17:51 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-09 17:51 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-09 18:14 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-09 18:14 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-09 18:14 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-09 18:14 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-09 18:48 ` Will Deacon
2017-10-09 18:48 ` Will Deacon
2017-10-09 18:48 ` Will Deacon
2017-10-09 18:48 ` Will Deacon
2017-10-09 18:22 ` Will Deacon
2017-10-09 18:22 ` Will Deacon
2017-10-09 18:22 ` Will Deacon
2017-10-09 18:22 ` Will Deacon
2017-10-09 18:42 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-09 18:42 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-09 18:42 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-09 18:42 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-09 18:48 ` Will Deacon [this message]
2017-10-09 18:48 ` Will Deacon
2017-10-09 18:48 ` Will Deacon
2017-10-09 18:48 ` Will Deacon
2017-10-09 18:59 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-09 18:59 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-09 18:59 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-09 18:59 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-09 19:02 ` Will Deacon
2017-10-09 19:02 ` Will Deacon
2017-10-09 19:02 ` Will Deacon
2017-10-09 19:02 ` Will Deacon
2017-10-09 19:07 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-09 19:07 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-09 19:07 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-09 19:07 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-09 19:57 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-09 19:57 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-09 19:57 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-09 19:57 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` [PATCH v9 10/12] x86/kasan: use kasan_map_populate() Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` [PATCH v9 11/12] arm64/kasan: " Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` [PATCH v9 12/12] mm: stop zeroing memory during allocation in vmemmap Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-09-20 20:17 ` Pavel Tatashin
2017-10-03 13:19 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 13:19 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 13:19 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 13:19 ` Michal Hocko
2017-10-03 15:34 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:34 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:34 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 15:34 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 20:26 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 20:26 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 20:26 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-03 20:26 ` Pasha Tatashin
2017-10-04 8:45 ` Michal Hocko
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