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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
To: Jason Gunthorpe
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Cc: Dan Williams
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	Jan Kara <jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
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	"Darrick J. Wong"
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	Dave Chinner <david-FqsqvQoI3Ljby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org>,
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	linux-fsdevel
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	Ross Zwisler
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 07/12] dma-mapping: introduce dma_has_iommu()
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 09:09:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171013070929.GA26652@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171009191820.GD15336-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 01:18:20PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > If RDMA is driving this need, why not invalidate backing RDMA MRs
> > > instead of requiring a IOMMU to do it? RDMA MR are finer grained and
> > > do not suffer from the re-use problem David W. brought up with IOVAs..
> > 
> > Sounds promising. All I want in the end is to be sure that the kernel
> > is enabled to stop any in-flight RDMA at will without asking
> > userspace. Does this require per-RDMA driver opt-in or is there a
> > common call that can be made?
> 
> I don't think this has ever come up in the context of an all-device MR
> invalidate requirement. Drivers already have code to invalidate
> specifc MRs, but to find all MRs that touch certain pages and then
> invalidate them would be new code.

The whole point is that we should not need that IFF we provide the
right interface.

If we have a new 'register memory with a lease', the driver (or in fact
probably the umem core for the drivers using it) has the lease associated
with the ib_umem structure, which will just need a backpointer from the
ib_umem to the to the MR to unregister it.

Which might be a good opportunity to break the user MR from the in-kernel
ones and merge it with ib_umem, but that's a different story..
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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@intel.com>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 07/12] dma-mapping: introduce dma_has_iommu()
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 09:09:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171013070929.GA26652@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171009191820.GD15336@obsidianresearch.com>

On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 01:18:20PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > If RDMA is driving this need, why not invalidate backing RDMA MRs
> > > instead of requiring a IOMMU to do it? RDMA MR are finer grained and
> > > do not suffer from the re-use problem David W. brought up with IOVAs..
> > 
> > Sounds promising. All I want in the end is to be sure that the kernel
> > is enabled to stop any in-flight RDMA at will without asking
> > userspace. Does this require per-RDMA driver opt-in or is there a
> > common call that can be made?
> 
> I don't think this has ever come up in the context of an all-device MR
> invalidate requirement. Drivers already have code to invalidate
> specifc MRs, but to find all MRs that touch certain pages and then
> invalidate them would be new code.

The whole point is that we should not need that IFF we provide the
right interface.

If we have a new 'register memory with a lease', the driver (or in fact
probably the umem core for the drivers using it) has the lease associated
with the ib_umem structure, which will just need a backpointer from the
ib_umem to the to the MR to unregister it.

Which might be a good opportunity to break the user MR from the in-kernel
ones and merge it with ib_umem, but that's a different story..

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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Ashok Raj <ashok.raj@intel.com>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 07/12] dma-mapping: introduce dma_has_iommu()
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 09:09:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171013070929.GA26652@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171009191820.GD15336@obsidianresearch.com>

On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 01:18:20PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > If RDMA is driving this need, why not invalidate backing RDMA MRs
> > > instead of requiring a IOMMU to do it? RDMA MR are finer grained and
> > > do not suffer from the re-use problem David W. brought up with IOVAs..
> > 
> > Sounds promising. All I want in the end is to be sure that the kernel
> > is enabled to stop any in-flight RDMA at will without asking
> > userspace. Does this require per-RDMA driver opt-in or is there a
> > common call that can be made?
> 
> I don't think this has ever come up in the context of an all-device MR
> invalidate requirement. Drivers already have code to invalidate
> specifc MRs, but to find all MRs that touch certain pages and then
> invalidate them would be new code.

The whole point is that we should not need that IFF we provide the
right interface.

If we have a new 'register memory with a lease', the driver (or in fact
probably the umem core for the drivers using it) has the lease associated
with the ib_umem structure, which will just need a backpointer from the
ib_umem to the to the MR to unregister it.

Which might be a good opportunity to break the user MR from the in-kernel
ones and merge it with ib_umem, but that's a different story..

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-10-13  7:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 154+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-06 22:35 [PATCH v7 00/12] MAP_DIRECT for DAX RDMA and userspace flush Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35 ` [PATCH v7 03/12] fs: introduce i_mapdcount Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35   ` Dan Williams
     [not found]   ` <150732933283.22363.570426117546397495.stgit-p8uTFz9XbKj2zm6wflaqv1nYeNYlB/vhral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-09  3:08     ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-09  3:08       ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-09  3:08       ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-09  3:08       ` Dave Chinner
     [not found] ` <150732931273.22363.8436792888326501071.stgit-p8uTFz9XbKj2zm6wflaqv1nYeNYlB/vhral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-06 22:35   ` [PATCH v7 01/12] mm: introduce MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE, a mechanism to safely define new mmap flags Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35   ` [PATCH v7 02/12] fs, mm: pass fd to ->mmap_validate() Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35   ` [PATCH v7 04/12] fs: MAP_DIRECT core Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:36   ` [PATCH v7 08/12] fs, mapdirect: introduce ->lease_direct() Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:36     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:36     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:36     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:36   ` [PATCH v7 10/12] device-dax: wire up ->lease_direct() Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:36     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:36     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:36     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35 ` [PATCH v7 05/12] xfs: prepare xfs_break_layouts() for reuse with MAP_DIRECT Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35 ` [PATCH v7 06/12] xfs: wire up MAP_DIRECT Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-09  3:40   ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-09  3:40     ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-09  3:40     ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-09 17:08     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-09 17:08       ` Dan Williams
2017-10-09 17:08       ` Dan Williams
2017-10-09 22:50       ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-09 22:50         ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-06 22:35 ` [PATCH v7 07/12] dma-mapping: introduce dma_has_iommu() Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:35   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:45   ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]     ` <1507329939.29211.434.camel-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-06 22:52       ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:52         ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:52         ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:52         ` Dan Williams
     [not found]         ` <CAPcyv4jLj2WOgPA+B5eYME0uZyuoy3gp35w+4rCa_EZxm-QSKA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-06 23:10           ` David Woodhouse
2017-10-06 23:10             ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]             ` <1507331434.29211.439.camel-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-06 23:15               ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 23:15                 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 23:15                 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 23:15                 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-07 11:08                 ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]                   ` <1507374524.25529.13.camel-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-07 23:33                     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-07 23:33                       ` Dan Williams
2017-10-07 23:33                       ` Dan Williams
2017-10-07 23:33                       ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 23:12         ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 23:12           ` Dan Williams
2017-10-08  3:45   ` [PATCH v8] dma-mapping: introduce dma_get_iommu_domain() Dan Williams
2017-10-08  3:45     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-08  3:45     ` Dan Williams
     [not found]     ` <150743420333.12880.6968831423519457797.stgit-p8uTFz9XbKj2zm6wflaqv1nYeNYlB/vhral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-09 10:37       ` Robin Murphy
2017-10-09 10:37         ` Robin Murphy
2017-10-09 10:37         ` Robin Murphy
2017-10-09 10:37         ` Robin Murphy
2017-10-09 17:32         ` Dan Williams
2017-10-09 17:32           ` Dan Williams
2017-10-10 14:40     ` Raj, Ashok
2017-10-10 14:40       ` Raj, Ashok
     [not found]   ` <150732935473.22363.1853399637339625023.stgit-p8uTFz9XbKj2zm6wflaqv1nYeNYlB/vhral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-09 18:58     ` [PATCH v7 07/12] dma-mapping: introduce dma_has_iommu() Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-09 18:58       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-09 18:58       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-09 18:58       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-09 19:05       ` Dan Williams
2017-10-09 19:05         ` Dan Williams
     [not found]         ` <CAPcyv4gXzC8OUgO_PciQ2phyq0YtmXjMGWvoPSVVuuZR7ohVCg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-09 19:18           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-09 19:18             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-09 19:18             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-09 19:18             ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]             ` <20171009191820.GD15336-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-09 19:28               ` Dan Williams
2017-10-09 19:28                 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-09 19:28                 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-09 19:28                 ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                 ` <CAPcyv4h_uQGBAX6-bMkkZLO_YyQ6t4n_b8tH8wU_P0Jh23N5MQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-10 17:25                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-10 17:25                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-10 17:25                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-10 17:25                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                     ` <20171010172516.GA29915-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-10 17:39                       ` Dan Williams
2017-10-10 17:39                         ` Dan Williams
2017-10-10 17:39                         ` Dan Williams
2017-10-10 17:39                         ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                         ` <CAPcyv4jL5fN7jjXkQum8ERQ45eW63dCYp5Pm6aHY4OPudz4Wsw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-10 18:05                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-10 18:05                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-10 18:05                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-10 18:05                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-10 20:17                             ` Dan Williams
2017-10-10 20:17                               ` Dan Williams
2017-10-10 20:17                               ` Dan Williams
2017-10-12 18:27                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-12 18:27                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-12 18:27                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-12 20:10                                 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-12 20:10                                   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-13  6:50                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-13  6:50                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-13  6:50                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                     ` <20171013065047.GA26461-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-13 15:03                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-13 15:03                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-13 15:03                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-13 15:03                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                         ` <20171013150348.GA11257-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-15 15:14                                           ` Matan Barak
2017-10-15 15:14                                             ` Matan Barak
2017-10-15 15:14                                             ` Matan Barak
2017-10-15 15:14                                             ` Matan Barak
     [not found]                                             ` <CAAKD3BBR2CmQvg-3bqPog0VFrEm=QU-b-xBDH-_Q+sXV9NkFUA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-15 15:21                                               ` Dan Williams
2017-10-15 15:21                                                 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-15 15:21                                                 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-13  7:09               ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2017-10-13  7:09                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-13  7:09                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-06 22:36 ` [PATCH v7 09/12] xfs: wire up ->lease_direct() Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:36   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:36   ` Dan Williams
     [not found]   ` <150732936625.22363.7638037715540836828.stgit-p8uTFz9XbKj2zm6wflaqv1nYeNYlB/vhral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-09  3:45     ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-09  3:45       ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-09  3:45       ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-09  3:45       ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-09 17:10       ` Dan Williams
2017-10-09 17:10         ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:36 ` [PATCH v7 11/12] IB/core: use MAP_DIRECT to fix / enable RDMA to DAX mappings Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:36   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:36   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-08  4:02   ` [PATCH v8 1/2] iommu: up-level sg_num_pages() from amd-iommu Dan Williams
2017-10-08  4:02     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-08  4:02     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-08  4:04   ` [PATCH v8 2/2] IB/core: use MAP_DIRECT to fix / enable RDMA to DAX mappings Dan Williams
2017-10-08  4:04     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-08  4:04     ` Dan Williams
     [not found]     ` <150743537023.13602.3520782942682280917.stgit-p8uTFz9XbKj2zm6wflaqv1nYeNYlB/vhral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-08  6:45       ` kbuild test robot
2017-10-08  6:45         ` kbuild test robot
2017-10-08  6:45         ` kbuild test robot
     [not found]         ` <201710081447.sQSonloO%fengguang.wu-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-08 15:49           ` Dan Williams
2017-10-08 15:49             ` Dan Williams
2017-10-08 15:49             ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:36 ` [PATCH v7 12/12] tools/testing/nvdimm: enable rdma unit tests Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:36   ` Dan Williams
2017-10-06 22:36   ` Dan Williams

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