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From: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>,
	"Martin K . Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	John Garry <john.garry@huawei.com>,
	Bart Van Assche <bart.vanassche@sandisk.com>,
	Omar Sandoval <osandov@fb.com>, Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V4] scsi_debugfs: fix crash in scsi_show_rq()
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:09:51 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171115100949.GC908@ming.t460p> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1510683292.3077.3.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 10:14:52AM -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Tue, 2017-11-14 at 08:55 +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> > Hi James,
> > 
> > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:55:52AM -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 2017-11-11 at 10:43 +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > So from CPU1's review, cmd->cmnd is in a remote NUMA node,
> > > > __scsi_format_command() is executed much slower than
> > > > mempool_free().
> > > > So when mempool_free() returns, __scsi_format_command() may not
> > > > fetched the buffer in L1 cache yet, then use-after-free
> > > > is still triggered.
> > > > 
> > > > That is why I say this use-after-free is inevitable no matter
> > > > 'setting SCpnt->cmnd to NULL before calling mempool_free()' or
> > > > not.
> > > 
> > > The bottom line is that there are several creative ways around this
> > > but the proposed code is currently broken and simply putting a
> > > comment in saying so doesn't make it acceptable.
> > 
> > As I explained above, I didn't see one really workable way. Or please
> > correct it if I am wrong.
> 
> I simply can't believe it's beyond the wit of man to solve a use after
> free race. �About 40% of kernel techniques are devoted to this. �All I
> really care about is not losing the PI information we previously had.
> �I agree with Bart that NULL cmnd is a good indicator, so it seems
> reasonable to use it. �If you have another mechanism, feel free to
> propose it.

Hi James,

This patch is my proposal, no others thought of yet.

We can fix the use-after-free easily via lock, rcu and ..., but some cost
has to pay. In this case, we can't wait too long in show_rq(), otherwise
we may lose important debug info, so I do not have better way.

IMO this use-after-free is actually no harm, I don't think we have to fix
it, but it should be better to not let utility warn on this case.


Thanks,
Ming

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From: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>,
	"Martin K . Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	John Garry <john.garry@huawei.com>,
	Bart Van Assche <bart.vanassche@sandisk.com>,
	Omar Sandoval <osandov@fb.com>, Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V4] scsi_debugfs: fix crash in scsi_show_rq()
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:09:51 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171115100949.GC908@ming.t460p> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1510683292.3077.3.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 10:14:52AM -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Tue, 2017-11-14 at 08:55 +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> > Hi James,
> > 
> > On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:55:52AM -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 2017-11-11 at 10:43 +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > So from CPU1's review, cmd->cmnd is in a remote NUMA node,
> > > > __scsi_format_command() is executed much slower than
> > > > mempool_free().
> > > > So when mempool_free() returns, __scsi_format_command() may not
> > > > fetched the buffer in L1 cache yet, then use-after-free
> > > > is still triggered.
> > > > 
> > > > That is why I say this use-after-free is inevitable no matter
> > > > 'setting SCpnt->cmnd to NULL before calling mempool_free()' or
> > > > not.
> > > 
> > > The bottom line is that there are several creative ways around this
> > > but the proposed code is currently broken and simply putting a
> > > comment in saying so doesn't make it acceptable.
> > 
> > As I explained above, I didn't see one really workable way. Or please
> > correct it if I am wrong.
> 
> I simply can't believe it's beyond the wit of man to solve a use after
> free race.  About 40% of kernel techniques are devoted to this.  All I
> really care about is not losing the PI information we previously had.
>  I agree with Bart that NULL cmnd is a good indicator, so it seems
> reasonable to use it.  If you have another mechanism, feel free to
> propose it.

Hi James,

This patch is my proposal, no others thought of yet.

We can fix the use-after-free easily via lock, rcu and ..., but some cost
has to pay. In this case, we can't wait too long in show_rq(), otherwise
we may lose important debug info, so I do not have better way.

IMO this use-after-free is actually no harm, I don't think we have to fix
it, but it should be better to not let utility warn on this case.


Thanks,
Ming

  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-15 10:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-10  9:01 [PATCH V4] scsi_debugfs: fix crash in scsi_show_rq() Ming Lei
2017-11-10 16:51 ` James Bottomley
2017-11-11  2:43   ` Ming Lei
2017-11-11  2:43     ` Ming Lei
2017-11-13 18:55     ` James Bottomley
2017-11-14  0:55       ` Ming Lei
2017-11-14  0:55         ` Ming Lei
2017-11-14 18:14         ` James Bottomley
2017-11-15 10:09           ` Ming Lei [this message]
2017-11-15 10:09             ` Ming Lei
2017-11-15 10:28             ` James Bottomley
2017-11-15 12:04               ` Ming Lei
2017-11-15 12:04                 ` Ming Lei
2017-12-05 16:55                 ` Ming Lei
2017-12-05 16:55                   ` Ming Lei

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