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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Abdul Haleem <abdhalee@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Joel Stanley <joel@jms.id.au>, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] mm: introduce MAP_FIXED_SAFE
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:34:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171213123437.GF25185@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171213122533.GA2384@bombadil.infradead.org>

On Wed 13-12-17 04:25:33, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:25:48AM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > I am afraid we can bikeshed this to death and there will still be
> > somebody finding yet another better name. Therefore I've decided to
> > stick with my original MAP_FIXED_SAFE. Why? Well, because it keeps the
> > MAP_FIXED prefix which should be recognized by developers and _SAFE
> > suffix should also be clear that all dangerous side effects of the old
> > MAP_FIXED are gone.
> 
> I liked basically every other name suggested more than MAP_FIXED_SAFE.
> "Safe against what?" was an important question.
> 
> MAP_AT_ADDR was the best suggestion I saw that wasn't one of mine.  Of
> my suggestions, I liked MAP_STATIC the best.

The question is whether you care enough to pursue this further yourself.
Because as I've said I do not want to spend another round discussing the
name. The flag is documented and I believe that the name has some merit.
Disagreeing on naming is the easiest pitfall to block otherwise useful
functionality from being merged. And I am pretty sure there will be
always somebody objecting...
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Abdul Haleem <abdhalee@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Joel Stanley <joel@jms.id.au>, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] mm: introduce MAP_FIXED_SAFE
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:34:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171213123437.GF25185@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
Message-ID: <20171213123437.k9bPaWMgi7TRx-J0WKpY0eb4yskKgvvO0tKSVFPjSRs@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171213122533.GA2384@bombadil.infradead.org>

On Wed 13-12-17 04:25:33, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:25:48AM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > I am afraid we can bikeshed this to death and there will still be
> > somebody finding yet another better name. Therefore I've decided to
> > stick with my original MAP_FIXED_SAFE. Why? Well, because it keeps the
> > MAP_FIXED prefix which should be recognized by developers and _SAFE
> > suffix should also be clear that all dangerous side effects of the old
> > MAP_FIXED are gone.
> 
> I liked basically every other name suggested more than MAP_FIXED_SAFE.
> "Safe against what?" was an important question.
> 
> MAP_AT_ADDR was the best suggestion I saw that wasn't one of mine.  Of
> my suggestions, I liked MAP_STATIC the best.

The question is whether you care enough to pursue this further yourself.
Because as I've said I do not want to spend another round discussing the
name. The flag is documented and I believe that the name has some merit.
Disagreeing on naming is the easiest pitfall to block otherwise useful
functionality from being merged. And I am pretty sure there will be
always somebody objecting...
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-13 12:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-13  9:25 [PATCH v2 0/2] mm: introduce MAP_FIXED_SAFE Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:25 ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:25 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:25   ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]   ` <20171213092550.2774-2-mhocko-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-13 12:50     ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-13 12:50       ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-13 13:01       ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 13:01         ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:25 ` [PATCH 2/2] fs, elf: drop MAP_FIXED usage from elf_map Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:25   ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-16  0:49   ` [2/2] " Andrei Vagin
2017-12-18  9:13     ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-18  9:13       ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-18 18:12       ` Andrei Vagin
2017-12-18 18:12         ` Andrei Vagin
2017-12-13  9:31 ` [PATCH 1/2] mmap.2: document new MAP_FIXED_SAFE flag Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:31   ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:31   ` [PATCH 2/2] mmap.2: MAP_FIXED updated documentation Michal Hocko
2017-12-13  9:31     ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 12:55     ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-13 13:03       ` Cyril Hrubis
2017-12-13 13:03         ` Cyril Hrubis
2017-12-13 13:04       ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 13:09         ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-13 13:16           ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 13:16             ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]             ` <20171213131640.GJ25185-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-13 13:21               ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-13 13:21                 ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-13 13:35                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 13:35                   ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 14:40                 ` Cyril Hrubis
2017-12-13 14:40                   ` Cyril Hrubis
2017-12-13 23:19                   ` Kees Cook
2017-12-13 23:19                     ` Kees Cook
     [not found]                     ` <CAGXu5jLqE6cUxk-Girx6PG7upEzz8jmu1OH_3LVC26iJc2vTxQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-14  7:07                       ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-14  7:07                         ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-18 19:12                     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2017-12-18 19:12                       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2017-12-18 20:19                       ` Kees Cook
2017-12-18 20:19                         ` Kees Cook
2017-12-18 20:33                         ` Matthew Wilcox
     [not found]                         ` <CAGXu5jJ289R9koVoHmxcvUWr6XHSZR2p0qq3WtpNyN-iNSvrNQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-21 12:38                           ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-21 12:38                             ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-21 14:59                             ` known bad patch in -mm tree was " Pavel Machek
2017-12-21 15:08                               ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-21 15:08                                 ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-21 22:24                             ` Andrew Morton
2017-12-21 22:24                               ` Andrew Morton
2017-12-22  0:06                               ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-14  2:52     ` Jann Horn
2017-12-14  2:52       ` Jann Horn
     [not found]       ` <CAG48ez0JZ3PVW3vgSXDmDijS+a_5bSX9qNuyggnsB6JTSkKngA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-14  5:28         ` John Hubbard
2017-12-14  5:28           ` John Hubbard
2017-12-14 23:06       ` John Hubbard
     [not found]         ` <b4fb7b3a-e53e-bf87-53c5-186751a14f4e-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-14 23:10           ` Jann Horn
2017-12-14 23:10             ` Jann Horn
     [not found] ` <20171213092550.2774-1-mhocko-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-13 12:25   ` [PATCH v2 0/2] mm: introduce MAP_FIXED_SAFE Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-13 12:25     ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-13 12:34     ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2017-12-13 12:34       ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-13 17:13   ` Kees Cook
2017-12-13 17:13     ` Kees Cook
2017-12-15  9:02     ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-15  9:02       ` Michael Ellerman
2017-12-14  0:32   ` Andrew Morton
2017-12-14  0:32     ` Andrew Morton
2017-12-14  1:35     ` David Goldblatt
2017-12-14  1:42       ` David Goldblatt
2017-12-14  1:42         ` David Goldblatt
2017-12-14 12:44     ` Edward Napierala
2017-12-14 13:15       ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-14 13:15         ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-14 14:54         ` Edward Napierala
2017-12-14 14:54           ` Edward Napierala
2017-12-19 12:40           ` David Laight
2017-12-19 12:40             ` David Laight
2017-12-19 12:46             ` Michal Hocko
2017-12-19 12:46               ` Michal Hocko

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