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From: Miquel RAYNAL <miquel.raynal-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
To: Rob Herring <robh-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Gregory CLEMENT
	<gregory.clement-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
	Baruch Siach <baruch-NswTu9S1W3P6gbPvEgmw2w@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew-g2DYL2Zd6BY@public.gmane.org>,
	Jason Cooper <jason-NLaQJdtUoK4Be96aLqz0jA@public.gmane.org>,
	Nadav Haklai <nadavh-eYqpPyKDWXRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
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	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Antoine Tenart
	<antoine.tenart-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	David Sniatkiwicz
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	Eduardo Valentin
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	devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Zhang Rui <rui.zhang-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Thomas Petazzoni
	<thomas.petazzoni-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	Sebastian Hesselbarth
	<sebastian.hesselbarth-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/11] dt-bindings: thermal: Describe Armada AP806 and CP110
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 13:50:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171216135059.059bc00a@xps13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171215232854.n23biqelqoqjsevm@rob-hp-laptop>

Hello Rob,

On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 17:28:54 -0600
Rob Herring <robh-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:52:30AM +0100, Miquel RAYNAL wrote:
> > Hello Baruch and Gregory,
> > 
> > On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 09:44:19 +0100
> > Gregory CLEMENT <gregory.clement-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >   
> > > Hi Miquel,
> > >  
> > >  On ven., déc. 15 2017, Miquel RAYNAL
> > > <miquel.raynal-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > >   
> > > > Hello Baruch,
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 10:27:59 +0200
> > > > Baruch Siach <baruch-NswTu9S1W3P6gbPvEgmw2w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > > >    
> > > >> Hi Miquel
> > > >> 
> > > >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:30:01AM +0100, Miquel Raynal
> > > >> wrote:    
> > > >> > +- marvell,thermal-zone-name: The name to identify the
> > > >> > thermal zone
> > > >> > +                             within the sysfs, useful when
> > > >> > multiple
> > > >> > +                             thermal zones are registered
> > > >> > (AP, CPx...).      
> > > >> 
> > > >> I don't think that would be acceptable. DT is about describing
> > > >> the hardware. sysfs is a Linux implementation detail which is
> > > >> not tied to any specific hardware. If this is accepted, the
> > > >> property should be named 'linux,thermal-zone-name'.    
> > > >
> > > > You are right the sysfs mention should not appear in the
> > > > description.  
> > 
> > Actually, you are right for all of it, this property should not
> > exist, sorry for my too quick answer.
> >   
> > > >
> > > > Otherwise for the naming I'm not sure "linux," is a valid
> > > > prefix in that case.    
> > 
> > Thank you both for your explanations, I was also wrong about the
> > prefix. 
> > > 
> > > Actually the choice between linux or marvell make me realize that
> > > there is something wrong. Having a name associated to a device is
> > > something pretty usual with the device tree, however it is as the
> > > class device level, such as clock-names, line-name, or
> > > regulator-name. So in my opinion if we want to support naming from
> > > device tree it would be done for all the thermal device not just
> > > for the Marvell one.
> > > 
> > > However I don't think we need it. For example for the clocks we
> > > created the name dynamically using of the base address of the
> > > register to keep them unique.  
> > 
> > I was convinced that dev_name's would be the same but after trying
> > it on a 8040-DB, using dev_name(&pdev->dev) gives:
> > 
> >     f06f808c.thermal
> >     f2400078.thermal
> >     f4400078.thermal
> > 
> > which I found meaningful enough.
> > 
> > I will drop the property and use dev_name instead. I still need your
> > help to solve one problem though: how to make the distinction
> > between using "armada_thermal" (the previous name) and dev_name() ?
> > If I don't it kind of breaks userspace, doesn't it ?  
> 
> No. The /sys/devices/... or /sys/bus/platform/... paths and names are 
> not guaranteed to be stable. These changed for every platform
> converted to DT for example. Userspace should be accessing things
> through /sys/class/... (or deal with changes).

Ok, thanks for the explanation.

I will sent a v4 early next week about all the changes requested.

Thank you all for reviewing.
Miquèl
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From: miquel.raynal@free-electrons.com (Miquel RAYNAL)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v3 01/11] dt-bindings: thermal: Describe Armada AP806 and CP110
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 13:50:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171216135059.059bc00a@xps13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171215232854.n23biqelqoqjsevm@rob-hp-laptop>

Hello Rob,

On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 17:28:54 -0600
Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:52:30AM +0100, Miquel RAYNAL wrote:
> > Hello Baruch and Gregory,
> > 
> > On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 09:44:19 +0100
> > Gregory CLEMENT <gregory.clement@free-electrons.com> wrote:
> >   
> > > Hi Miquel,
> > >  
> > >  On ven., d?c. 15 2017, Miquel RAYNAL
> > > <miquel.raynal@free-electrons.com> wrote:
> > >   
> > > > Hello Baruch,
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 10:27:59 +0200
> > > > Baruch Siach <baruch@tkos.co.il> wrote:
> > > >    
> > > >> Hi Miquel
> > > >> 
> > > >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:30:01AM +0100, Miquel Raynal
> > > >> wrote:    
> > > >> > +- marvell,thermal-zone-name: The name to identify the
> > > >> > thermal zone
> > > >> > +                             within the sysfs, useful when
> > > >> > multiple
> > > >> > +                             thermal zones are registered
> > > >> > (AP, CPx...).      
> > > >> 
> > > >> I don't think that would be acceptable. DT is about describing
> > > >> the hardware. sysfs is a Linux implementation detail which is
> > > >> not tied to any specific hardware. If this is accepted, the
> > > >> property should be named 'linux,thermal-zone-name'.    
> > > >
> > > > You are right the sysfs mention should not appear in the
> > > > description.  
> > 
> > Actually, you are right for all of it, this property should not
> > exist, sorry for my too quick answer.
> >   
> > > >
> > > > Otherwise for the naming I'm not sure "linux," is a valid
> > > > prefix in that case.    
> > 
> > Thank you both for your explanations, I was also wrong about the
> > prefix. 
> > > 
> > > Actually the choice between linux or marvell make me realize that
> > > there is something wrong. Having a name associated to a device is
> > > something pretty usual with the device tree, however it is as the
> > > class device level, such as clock-names, line-name, or
> > > regulator-name. So in my opinion if we want to support naming from
> > > device tree it would be done for all the thermal device not just
> > > for the Marvell one.
> > > 
> > > However I don't think we need it. For example for the clocks we
> > > created the name dynamically using of the base address of the
> > > register to keep them unique.  
> > 
> > I was convinced that dev_name's would be the same but after trying
> > it on a 8040-DB, using dev_name(&pdev->dev) gives:
> > 
> >     f06f808c.thermal
> >     f2400078.thermal
> >     f4400078.thermal
> > 
> > which I found meaningful enough.
> > 
> > I will drop the property and use dev_name instead. I still need your
> > help to solve one problem though: how to make the distinction
> > between using "armada_thermal" (the previous name) and dev_name() ?
> > If I don't it kind of breaks userspace, doesn't it ?  
> 
> No. The /sys/devices/... or /sys/bus/platform/... paths and names are 
> not guaranteed to be stable. These changed for every platform
> converted to DT for example. Userspace should be accessing things
> through /sys/class/... (or deal with changes).

Ok, thanks for the explanation.

I will sent a v4 early next week about all the changes requested.

Thank you all for reviewing.
Miqu?l

  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-16 12:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-14 10:30 [PATCH v3 00/11] Armada thermal: improvements and A7K/A8K SoCs support Miquel Raynal
2017-12-14 10:30 ` Miquel Raynal
2017-12-14 10:30 ` [PATCH v3 01/11] dt-bindings: thermal: Describe Armada AP806 and CP110 Miquel Raynal
2017-12-14 10:30   ` Miquel Raynal
     [not found]   ` <20171214103011.24713-2-miquel.raynal-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-15  8:27     ` Baruch Siach
2017-12-15  8:27       ` Baruch Siach
2017-12-15  8:32       ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-15  8:32         ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-15  8:44         ` Baruch Siach
2017-12-15  8:44           ` Baruch Siach
2017-12-15  8:44         ` Gregory CLEMENT
2017-12-15  8:44           ` Gregory CLEMENT
     [not found]           ` <87po7gmlcs.fsf-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-15 10:52             ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-15 10:52               ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-15 23:28               ` Rob Herring
2017-12-15 23:28                 ` Rob Herring
2017-12-16 12:50                 ` Miquel RAYNAL [this message]
2017-12-16 12:50                   ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-14 10:30 ` [PATCH v3 02/11] thermal: armada: Use msleep for long delays Miquel Raynal
2017-12-14 10:30   ` Miquel Raynal
2017-12-14 10:51   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2017-12-14 10:51     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2017-12-14 10:30 ` [PATCH v3 06/11] thermal: armada: Add support for Armada CP110 Miquel Raynal
2017-12-14 10:30   ` Miquel Raynal
     [not found]   ` <20171214103011.24713-7-miquel.raynal-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-14 11:11     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2017-12-14 11:11       ` Gregory CLEMENT
     [not found]       ` <87tvwto96y.fsf-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-14 11:33         ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-14 11:33           ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-14 11:37           ` Gregory CLEMENT
2017-12-14 11:37             ` Gregory CLEMENT
     [not found]             ` <87a7ylo803.fsf-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-14 12:24               ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-14 12:24                 ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-14 10:30 ` [PATCH v3 07/11] thermal: armada: Update Kconfig and module description Miquel Raynal
2017-12-14 10:30   ` Miquel Raynal
     [not found]   ` <20171214103011.24713-8-miquel.raynal-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-14 11:13     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2017-12-14 11:13       ` Gregory CLEMENT
     [not found]       ` <87po7ho93k.fsf-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-14 11:17         ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-14 11:17           ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-14 11:30           ` Gregory CLEMENT
2017-12-14 11:30             ` Gregory CLEMENT
2017-12-14 11:36             ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-14 11:36               ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-14 13:10             ` Thomas Petazzoni
2017-12-14 13:10               ` Thomas Petazzoni
     [not found] ` <20171214103011.24713-1-miquel.raynal-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-14 10:30   ` [PATCH v3 03/11] thermal: armada: Simplify the check of the validity bit Miquel Raynal
2017-12-14 10:30     ` Miquel Raynal
2017-12-14 10:52     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2017-12-14 10:52       ` Gregory CLEMENT
     [not found]     ` <20171214103011.24713-4-miquel.raynal-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-15  8:33       ` Baruch Siach
2017-12-15  8:33         ` Baruch Siach
2017-12-15 10:56         ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-15 10:56           ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-14 10:30   ` [PATCH v3 04/11] thermal: armada: Rationalize register accesses Miquel Raynal
2017-12-14 10:30     ` Miquel Raynal
2017-12-15  8:56     ` Baruch Siach
2017-12-15  8:56       ` Baruch Siach
2017-12-18 13:48       ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-18 13:48         ` Miquel RAYNAL
     [not found]     ` <20171214103011.24713-5-miquel.raynal-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-14 10:55       ` Gregory CLEMENT
2017-12-14 10:55         ` Gregory CLEMENT
2017-12-16 22:18       ` Baruch Siach
2017-12-16 22:18         ` Baruch Siach
2017-12-17 22:02         ` Baruch Siach
2017-12-17 22:02           ` Baruch Siach
2017-12-18 12:37           ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-18 12:37             ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-14 10:30   ` [PATCH v3 05/11] thermal: armada: Add support for Armada AP806 Miquel Raynal
2017-12-14 10:30     ` Miquel Raynal
     [not found]     ` <20171214103011.24713-6-miquel.raynal-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-14 11:05       ` Gregory CLEMENT
2017-12-14 11:05         ` Gregory CLEMENT
2017-12-18  9:41         ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-18  9:41           ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-18 11:11           ` Baruch Siach
2017-12-18 11:11             ` Baruch Siach
2017-12-18 12:25             ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-18 12:25               ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-16 22:22     ` Baruch Siach
2017-12-16 22:22       ` Baruch Siach
2017-12-14 10:30   ` [PATCH v3 08/11] thermal: armada: Change sensors trim default value Miquel Raynal
2017-12-14 10:30     ` Miquel Raynal
2017-12-14 10:30 ` [PATCH v3 09/11] thermal: armada: Wait sensors validity before exiting the init callback Miquel Raynal
2017-12-14 10:30   ` Miquel Raynal
2017-12-14 11:23   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2017-12-14 11:23     ` Gregory CLEMENT
2017-12-14 11:27     ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-14 11:27       ` Miquel RAYNAL
2017-12-14 10:30 ` [PATCH v3 10/11] thermal: armada: Give useful names to the thermal zone Miquel Raynal
2017-12-14 10:30   ` Miquel Raynal
2017-12-14 10:30 ` [PATCH v3 11/11] ARM64: dts: marvell: Add thermal support for A7K/A8K Miquel Raynal
2017-12-14 10:30   ` Miquel Raynal

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