From: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
To: "Kang, Luwei" <luwei.kang@intel.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
"rth@twiddle.net" <rth@twiddle.net>,
"mtosatti@redhat.com" <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
Chao Peng <chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com>,
"libvir-list@redhat.com" <libvir-list@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND v1 1/2] i386: Add Intel Processor Trace feature support
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 09:51:13 -0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180116115113.GA627@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <82D7661F83C1A047AF7DC287873BF1E167E776B5@SHSMSX101.ccr.corp.intel.com>
On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 06:10:17AM +0000, Kang, Luwei wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 12:04:55 -0200, Eduardo Habkost wrote:
> > > > CCing libvirt developers.
> > > ...
> > > > This case is slightly more problematic, however: the new feature is
> > > > actually migratable (under very controlled circumstances) because of
> > > > patch 2/2, but it is not migration-safe[1]. This means libvirt
> > > > shouldn't include it in "host-model" expansion (which uses the
> > > > query-cpu-model-expansion QMP command) until we make the feature
> > > > migration-safe.
> > > >
> > > > For QEMU, this means the feature shouldn't be returned by
> > > > "query-cpu-model-expansion type=static model=max" (but it can be
> > > > returned by "query-cpu-model-expansion type=full model=max").
> > > >
> > > > Jiri, it looks like libvirt uses type=full on
> > > > query-cpu-model-expansion on x86. It needs to use type=static[2],
> > > > or it will have no way to find out if a feature is migration-safe or
> > > > not.
> > > ...
> > > > [2] It looks like libvirt uses type=full because it wants to get
> > > > all QOM property aliases returned. In this case, one
> > > > solution for libvirt is to use:
> > > >
> > > > static_expansion = query_cpu_model_expansion(type=static, model)
> > > > all_props = query_cpu_model_expansion(type=full,
> > > > static_expansion)
> > >
> > > This is exactly what libvirt is doing (with model = "host") ever since
> > > query-cpu-model-expansion support was implemented for x86.
> >
> > Oh, now I see that the x86 code uses
> > QEMU_MONITOR_CPU_MODEL_EXPANSION_STATIC_FULL and not just QEMU_MONITOR_CPU_MODEL_EXPANSION_FULL. Nice!
> >
>
> So, I need to add Intel PT feature in "X86CPUDefinition
> builtin_x86_defs[]" so that we can get this CPUID in specific
> CPU model not only "-cpu host". Is that right?
The problem is that you won't be able to add intel-pt to any CPU
model unless the feature is made migration-safe (by not calling
kvm_arch_get_supported_cpuid() from cpu_x86_cpuid()).
What's missing here is to either: (a) make cpu_x86_cpuid() return
host-independent data (it can be constant, or it can be
configurable on the command-line); or (b) add a mechanism to skip
intel-pt from "query-cpu-model-expansion type=static". Probably
(a) is easier to implement, and it also makes the feature more
useful (by making it migration-safe).
>
> Intel PT is first supported in Intel Core M and 5th generation
> Intel Core processors that are based on the Intel
> micro-architecture code name Broadwell but Intel PT use EPT is
> first supported in Ice Lake. Intel PT virtualization depend on
> PT use EPT. I will add Intel PT to "Broadwell" CPU model and
> later to make sure a "Broadwell" guest can use Intel PT if the
> host is Ice Lake.
The "if the host is Ice Lake" part is problematic. On
migration-safe CPU models (all of them except "max" and "host"),
the data seen on CPUID can't depend on the host at all. It
should depend only on the machine-type + command-line options.
--
Eduardo
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From: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
To: "Kang, Luwei" <luwei.kang@intel.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
"rth@twiddle.net" <rth@twiddle.net>,
"mtosatti@redhat.com" <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
Chao Peng <chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com>,
"libvir-list@redhat.com" <libvir-list@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RESEND v1 1/2] i386: Add Intel Processor Trace feature support
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 09:51:13 -0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180116115113.GA627@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <82D7661F83C1A047AF7DC287873BF1E167E776B5@SHSMSX101.ccr.corp.intel.com>
On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 06:10:17AM +0000, Kang, Luwei wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 12:04:55 -0200, Eduardo Habkost wrote:
> > > > CCing libvirt developers.
> > > ...
> > > > This case is slightly more problematic, however: the new feature is
> > > > actually migratable (under very controlled circumstances) because of
> > > > patch 2/2, but it is not migration-safe[1]. This means libvirt
> > > > shouldn't include it in "host-model" expansion (which uses the
> > > > query-cpu-model-expansion QMP command) until we make the feature
> > > > migration-safe.
> > > >
> > > > For QEMU, this means the feature shouldn't be returned by
> > > > "query-cpu-model-expansion type=static model=max" (but it can be
> > > > returned by "query-cpu-model-expansion type=full model=max").
> > > >
> > > > Jiri, it looks like libvirt uses type=full on
> > > > query-cpu-model-expansion on x86. It needs to use type=static[2],
> > > > or it will have no way to find out if a feature is migration-safe or
> > > > not.
> > > ...
> > > > [2] It looks like libvirt uses type=full because it wants to get
> > > > all QOM property aliases returned. In this case, one
> > > > solution for libvirt is to use:
> > > >
> > > > static_expansion = query_cpu_model_expansion(type=static, model)
> > > > all_props = query_cpu_model_expansion(type=full,
> > > > static_expansion)
> > >
> > > This is exactly what libvirt is doing (with model = "host") ever since
> > > query-cpu-model-expansion support was implemented for x86.
> >
> > Oh, now I see that the x86 code uses
> > QEMU_MONITOR_CPU_MODEL_EXPANSION_STATIC_FULL and not just QEMU_MONITOR_CPU_MODEL_EXPANSION_FULL. Nice!
> >
>
> So, I need to add Intel PT feature in "X86CPUDefinition
> builtin_x86_defs[]" so that we can get this CPUID in specific
> CPU model not only "-cpu host". Is that right?
The problem is that you won't be able to add intel-pt to any CPU
model unless the feature is made migration-safe (by not calling
kvm_arch_get_supported_cpuid() from cpu_x86_cpuid()).
What's missing here is to either: (a) make cpu_x86_cpuid() return
host-independent data (it can be constant, or it can be
configurable on the command-line); or (b) add a mechanism to skip
intel-pt from "query-cpu-model-expansion type=static". Probably
(a) is easier to implement, and it also makes the feature more
useful (by making it migration-safe).
>
> Intel PT is first supported in Intel Core M and 5th generation
> Intel Core processors that are based on the Intel
> micro-architecture code name Broadwell but Intel PT use EPT is
> first supported in Ice Lake. Intel PT virtualization depend on
> PT use EPT. I will add Intel PT to "Broadwell" CPU model and
> later to make sure a "Broadwell" guest can use Intel PT if the
> host is Ice Lake.
The "if the host is Ice Lake" part is problematic. On
migration-safe CPU models (all of them except "max" and "host"),
the data seen on CPUID can't depend on the host at all. It
should depend only on the machine-type + command-line options.
--
Eduardo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-01-16 11:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-01-08 20:36 [PATCH RESEND v1 1/2] i386: Add Intel Processor Trace feature support Luwei Kang
2018-01-08 20:36 ` [Qemu-devel] " Luwei Kang
2018-01-08 20:36 ` [PATCH RESEND v1 2/2] i386: Add support to get/set/migrate Intel Processor Trace feature Luwei Kang
2018-01-08 20:36 ` [Qemu-devel] " Luwei Kang
2018-01-12 14:22 ` [PATCH RESEND v1 1/2] i386: Add Intel Processor Trace feature support Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-12 14:22 ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-15 7:19 ` Kang, Luwei
2018-01-15 7:19 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kang, Luwei
2018-01-15 9:33 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-15 9:33 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-15 14:04 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-15 14:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-15 14:25 ` Jiri Denemark
2018-01-15 14:25 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jiri Denemark
2018-01-15 14:31 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-15 14:31 ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-16 6:10 ` Kang, Luwei
2018-01-16 6:10 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kang, Luwei
2018-01-16 11:51 ` Eduardo Habkost [this message]
2018-01-16 11:51 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-17 10:32 ` Kang, Luwei
2018-01-17 10:32 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kang, Luwei
2018-01-18 2:42 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-18 2:42 ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-18 5:33 ` Kang, Luwei
2018-01-18 5:33 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kang, Luwei
2018-01-18 13:24 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-18 13:24 ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-18 13:39 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-18 13:39 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-18 14:37 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-18 14:37 ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-18 14:44 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-18 14:44 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-18 16:52 ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-18 16:52 ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-01-18 16:53 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-18 16:53 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-22 10:36 ` Kang, Luwei
2018-01-22 10:36 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kang, Luwei
2018-01-26 9:19 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-26 9:19 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-01-22 10:45 ` Kang, Luwei
2018-01-22 10:45 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kang, Luwei
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