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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-arm-kernel
	<linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Joakim Bech <joakim.bech-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Leif Lindholm
	<leif.lindholm-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Graeme Gregory
	<graeme.gregory-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] efi/arm64: unmap the kernel while executing UEFI services
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 17:10:36 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180126171035.GG16008@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKv+Gu84Dk1ZRicHNWr2SLn1GEpaj1YmekzgjvK4aC5t05TgSw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 05:06:42PM +0000, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> On 26 January 2018 at 17:05, Will Deacon <will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 10:31:31AM +0000, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> >> Now that all UEFI runtime service wrappers ensure that byref
> >> arguments are moved into the UEFI marshalling buffer (which
> >> is not part of the kernel mapping), we can proceed and unmap
> >> the kernel while UEFI runtime service calls are in progress.
> >>
> >> This is done by setting the EPD1 bit and flushing the TLB of
> >> the local CPU. This makes it independent of KPTI or whether
> >> non-global mappings are being used.
> >
> > One snag with this is that it will break SPE, so I'd prefer this behaviour
> > to be predicated on kpti so that the arm64_kernel_unmapped_at_el0() check
> > in drivers/perf/arm_spe_pmu.c remains valid.
> >
> 
> The problem with that is that they serve two different purposes: kpti
> protects against meltdown, this protects against Spectre variant 1.

Fair enough, but we should do something because it renders SPE unusable
and it can be a really handy profiling feature. Having the new EFI behaviour
optional in some way would be my preference.

Will

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: will.deacon@arm.com (Will Deacon)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 4/4] efi/arm64: unmap the kernel while executing UEFI services
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 17:10:36 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180126171035.GG16008@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKv+Gu84Dk1ZRicHNWr2SLn1GEpaj1YmekzgjvK4aC5t05TgSw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 05:06:42PM +0000, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> On 26 January 2018 at 17:05, Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 10:31:31AM +0000, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> >> Now that all UEFI runtime service wrappers ensure that byref
> >> arguments are moved into the UEFI marshalling buffer (which
> >> is not part of the kernel mapping), we can proceed and unmap
> >> the kernel while UEFI runtime service calls are in progress.
> >>
> >> This is done by setting the EPD1 bit and flushing the TLB of
> >> the local CPU. This makes it independent of KPTI or whether
> >> non-global mappings are being used.
> >
> > One snag with this is that it will break SPE, so I'd prefer this behaviour
> > to be predicated on kpti so that the arm64_kernel_unmapped_at_el0() check
> > in drivers/perf/arm_spe_pmu.c remains valid.
> >
> 
> The problem with that is that they serve two different purposes: kpti
> protects against meltdown, this protects against Spectre variant 1.

Fair enough, but we should do something because it renders SPE unusable
and it can be a really handy profiling feature. Having the new EFI behaviour
optional in some way would be my preference.

Will

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-01-26 17:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-25 10:31 [PATCH 0/4] efi/arm64: unmap the kernel during runtime service calls Ard Biesheuvel
2018-01-25 10:31 ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found] ` <20180125103131.19168-1-ard.biesheuvel-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2018-01-25 10:31   ` [PATCH 1/4] efi: arm64: Check whether x18 is preserved by runtime services calls Ard Biesheuvel
2018-01-25 10:31     ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]     ` <20180125103131.19168-2-ard.biesheuvel-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2018-01-26 15:05       ` Will Deacon
2018-01-26 15:05         ` Will Deacon
2018-01-25 10:31   ` [PATCH 2/4] efi/arm64: map the stack and entry wrapper into the UEFI page tables Ard Biesheuvel
2018-01-25 10:31     ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]     ` <20180125103131.19168-3-ard.biesheuvel-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2018-01-26 16:57       ` Will Deacon
2018-01-26 16:57         ` Will Deacon
     [not found]         ` <20180126165744.GD16008-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2018-01-26 17:03           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-01-26 17:03             ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]             ` <CAKv+Gu8CvZXZvxp75x5JL0dNMvEau5XuXxAObsJURs6ALU+nFg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-01-26 17:09               ` Will Deacon
2018-01-26 17:09                 ` Will Deacon
2018-01-25 10:31   ` [PATCH 3/4] efi/arm64: marshall runtime services arguments via buffer in TTBR0 Ard Biesheuvel
2018-01-25 10:31     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-01-25 10:31   ` [PATCH 4/4] efi/arm64: unmap the kernel while executing UEFI services Ard Biesheuvel
2018-01-25 10:31     ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]     ` <20180125103131.19168-5-ard.biesheuvel-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2018-01-26 17:05       ` Will Deacon
2018-01-26 17:05         ` Will Deacon
     [not found]         ` <20180126170505.GE16008-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2018-01-26 17:06           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-01-26 17:06             ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]             ` <CAKv+Gu84Dk1ZRicHNWr2SLn1GEpaj1YmekzgjvK4aC5t05TgSw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-01-26 17:10               ` Will Deacon [this message]
2018-01-26 17:10                 ` Will Deacon
2018-01-29 14:51   ` [PATCH 0/4] efi/arm64: unmap the kernel during runtime service calls Jeffrey Hugo
2018-01-29 14:51     ` Jeffrey Hugo
     [not found]     ` <bdba264b-6619-6e9f-2849-d9d82a820ab0-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-01-29 14:55       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-01-29 14:55         ` Ard Biesheuvel

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