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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Li Zefan <lizefan-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4.15-rc9] sched, cgroup: Don't reject lower cpu.max on ancestors
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 17:49:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180201164942.GC2249@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180130145639.GD1121507-4dN5La/x3IkLX0oZNxdnEQ2O0Ztt9esIQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 06:56:39AM -0800, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 11:21:56AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > afaiu the existing code does exactly the opposite, it forces the
> > descendants to configure less than the parent allows.
> > 
> > You're taking out an error condition and silently allowing descentant
> > misconfiguration. How does that make sense?
> 
> Well, they're upper limits, not strict allocations.  The current
> behavior implemented by cpu isn't either a strict allocation or upper
> limits.  It disallows a child from having a value higher than the
> parent (allocation-ish) but the sum of the children is allowed to
> exceed the parent's (limit-ish).

True; but its still weird to have the parent 'promise' something and
then retract that 'promise' later.

> The combination is rather arbitrary and makes it impossible to
> delegate safely (a delegatee can block the delegator from reducing the
> amount resource allocated to the delegatee) while not really
> protecting against overcommit from descendants either.
> 
> We had this sort of input validations in different controllers all in
> their own ways.  In most cases, these aren't well thought out and we
> can't support things like delegation without aligning controller
> behaviors.

I suppose.. 

Acked-by: Peter Zijlstra (Intel) <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>

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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4.15-rc9] sched, cgroup: Don't reject lower cpu.max on ancestors
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 17:49:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180201164942.GC2249@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180130145639.GD1121507@devbig577.frc2.facebook.com>

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 06:56:39AM -0800, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 11:21:56AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > afaiu the existing code does exactly the opposite, it forces the
> > descendants to configure less than the parent allows.
> > 
> > You're taking out an error condition and silently allowing descentant
> > misconfiguration. How does that make sense?
> 
> Well, they're upper limits, not strict allocations.  The current
> behavior implemented by cpu isn't either a strict allocation or upper
> limits.  It disallows a child from having a value higher than the
> parent (allocation-ish) but the sum of the children is allowed to
> exceed the parent's (limit-ish).

True; but its still weird to have the parent 'promise' something and
then retract that 'promise' later.

> The combination is rather arbitrary and makes it impossible to
> delegate safely (a delegatee can block the delegator from reducing the
> amount resource allocated to the delegatee) while not really
> protecting against overcommit from descendants either.
> 
> We had this sort of input validations in different controllers all in
> their own ways.  In most cases, these aren't well thought out and we
> can't support things like delegation without aligning controller
> behaviors.

I suppose.. 

Acked-by: Peter Zijlstra (Intel) <peterz@infradead.org>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-02-01 16:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-22 19:26 [PATCH v4.15-rc9] sched, cgroup: Don't reject lower cpu.max on ancestors Tejun Heo
2018-01-22 19:26 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found] ` <20180122192618.GA1771050-4dN5La/x3IkLX0oZNxdnEQ2O0Ztt9esIQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2018-01-29 19:15   ` Tejun Heo
2018-01-29 19:15     ` Tejun Heo
2018-01-30 10:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-30 14:56   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <20180130145639.GD1121507-4dN5La/x3IkLX0oZNxdnEQ2O0Ztt9esIQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-01 16:49       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-02-01 16:49         ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]         ` <20180201164942.GC2249-Nxj+rRp3nVydTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-01 19:57           ` Tejun Heo
2018-02-01 19:57             ` Tejun Heo
2018-02-12 17:24 ` Tejun Heo

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