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From: Sean Paul <seanpaul-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
To: Liviu Dudau <liviu.dudau-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jonathan Corbet <corbet-T1hC0tSOHrs@public.gmane.org>,
	David Airlie <airlied-cv59FeDIM0c@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-arm-msm
	<linux-arm-msm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-doc-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Maarten Lankhorst
	<maarten.lankhorst-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List
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	dri-devel
	<dri-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org>,
	daniel.vetter-/w4YWyX8dFk@public.gmane.org,
	Rob Clark <robdclark-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Sean Paul <seanpaul-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	Gustavo Padovan <gustavo-THi1TnShQwVAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Mihail Atanassov <mihail.atanassov-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	freedreno
	<freedreno-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org>,
	Brian Starkey <brian.starkey-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/4] drm: Add writeback connector type
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:04:32 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180223170432.GP223881@art_vandelay> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180223164858.GY9111-A/Nd4k6kWRHZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 04:48:58PM +0000, Liviu Dudau wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 11:43:29AM -0500, Sean Paul wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 11:25:11AM -0500, Rob Clark wrote:
> > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Sean Paul <seanpaul@chromium.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Have we considered hiding writeback behind a client cap instead?
> > > 
> > > It is kinda *almost* unneeded, since the connector reports itself as
> > > disconnected.
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure what the reason was to drop the cap, but I think it would
> > > be better to have a cap so WB connectors don't show up in, for ex,
> > > xrandr
> > 
> > Yeah, the disconnected hack is kind of gross, IMO. I hate to introduce churn in
> > the patch series given that it was initially introduced with the client cap.
> 
> Haha, that's the reverse of Daniel's position:
> 
> https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2016-October/120519.html

Yeah, it happens :(. I don't think it's a dealbreaker either way, it just seems
awkward to expose a connector which is "disconnected", but available for use. I
don't think we have any other connectors which are supposed to be used in this
state.

> 
> > 
> > There are also cases where we might want to make writeback unavailable, such as
> > when content protection is enabled. In those cases, it's conceivable that we
> > might want to use disconnected as a signal to u/s. I suppose we could also just
> > fail the check, so most of this is just academic.
> 
> Not sure what other hardware out there does, but on Mali DP's case you
> would be outputing the protected content by putting the display
> processor in secure mode, which automatically disables writeback for us.
> Or to put in another way, you don't need a writeback framebuffer if you
> are in non-secure mode as you can get access to the framebuffer used for
> the plane anyway.

Yeah, I was mostly thinking about the case where you might have HDCP enabled on
the HDMI connector and be able to slurp up the content via a writeback. However
if the buffer is not secure in the first place, then it's already accessible in
userspace so I don't think that writeback presents a new security hole.

/me needs to get HDCP out of his head.

Sean


> 
> Best regards,
> Liviu
> 
> > 
> > Sean
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > BR,
> > > -R
> > 
> > -- 
> > Sean Paul, Software Engineer, Google / Chromium OS
> 
> -- 
> ====================
> | I would like to |
> | fix the world,  |
> | but they're not |
> | giving me the   |
>  \ source code!  /
>   ---------------
>     ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

-- 
Sean Paul, Software Engineer, Google / Chromium OS
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From: Sean Paul <seanpaul@chromium.org>
To: Liviu Dudau <liviu.dudau@arm.com>
Cc: Sean Paul <seanpaul@chromium.org>,
	Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	freedreno <freedreno@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	linux-arm-msm <linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Brian Starkey <brian.starkey@arm.com>,
	Mihail Atanassov <mihail.atanassov@arm.com>,
	Gustavo Padovan <gustavo@padovan.org>,
	Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
	David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/4] drm: Add writeback connector type
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 12:04:32 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180223170432.GP223881@art_vandelay> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180223164858.GY9111@e110455-lin.cambridge.arm.com>

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 04:48:58PM +0000, Liviu Dudau wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 11:43:29AM -0500, Sean Paul wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 11:25:11AM -0500, Rob Clark wrote:
> > > On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Sean Paul <seanpaul@chromium.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Have we considered hiding writeback behind a client cap instead?
> > > 
> > > It is kinda *almost* unneeded, since the connector reports itself as
> > > disconnected.
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure what the reason was to drop the cap, but I think it would
> > > be better to have a cap so WB connectors don't show up in, for ex,
> > > xrandr
> > 
> > Yeah, the disconnected hack is kind of gross, IMO. I hate to introduce churn in
> > the patch series given that it was initially introduced with the client cap.
> 
> Haha, that's the reverse of Daniel's position:
> 
> https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2016-October/120519.html

Yeah, it happens :(. I don't think it's a dealbreaker either way, it just seems
awkward to expose a connector which is "disconnected", but available for use. I
don't think we have any other connectors which are supposed to be used in this
state.

> 
> > 
> > There are also cases where we might want to make writeback unavailable, such as
> > when content protection is enabled. In those cases, it's conceivable that we
> > might want to use disconnected as a signal to u/s. I suppose we could also just
> > fail the check, so most of this is just academic.
> 
> Not sure what other hardware out there does, but on Mali DP's case you
> would be outputing the protected content by putting the display
> processor in secure mode, which automatically disables writeback for us.
> Or to put in another way, you don't need a writeback framebuffer if you
> are in non-secure mode as you can get access to the framebuffer used for
> the plane anyway.

Yeah, I was mostly thinking about the case where you might have HDCP enabled on
the HDMI connector and be able to slurp up the content via a writeback. However
if the buffer is not secure in the first place, then it's already accessible in
userspace so I don't think that writeback presents a new security hole.

/me needs to get HDCP out of his head.

Sean


> 
> Best regards,
> Liviu
> 
> > 
> > Sean
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > BR,
> > > -R
> > 
> > -- 
> > Sean Paul, Software Engineer, Google / Chromium OS
> 
> -- 
> ====================
> | I would like to |
> | fix the world,  |
> | but they're not |
> | giving me the   |
>  \ source code!  /
>   ---------------
>     ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

-- 
Sean Paul, Software Engineer, Google / Chromium OS

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-02-23 17:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-23 13:17 [RFC 0/4] drm/msm/mdp5: writeback connector support Rob Clark
     [not found] ` <20180223131758.18362-1-robdclark-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-23 13:17   ` [RFC 1/4] drm: Add writeback connector type Rob Clark
2018-02-23 13:17     ` Rob Clark
     [not found]     ` <20180223131758.18362-2-robdclark-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-23 14:00       ` Liviu Dudau
2018-02-23 14:00         ` Liviu Dudau
     [not found]         ` <20180223140018.GV9111-A/Nd4k6kWRHZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-23 14:24           ` Rob Clark
2018-02-23 14:24             ` Rob Clark
     [not found]             ` <CAF6AEGvEZ6Z3dSHk9keb9MeQO28epeMey1zwsY51=UUHUH7FZw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-23 14:27               ` Liviu Dudau
2018-02-23 14:27                 ` Liviu Dudau
2018-02-23 15:59       ` Sean Paul
2018-02-23 15:59         ` Sean Paul
2018-02-23 16:21         ` Liviu Dudau
2018-02-23 16:21           ` Liviu Dudau
     [not found]           ` <20180223162104.GX9111-A/Nd4k6kWRHZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-23 16:39             ` Sean Paul
2018-02-23 16:39               ` Sean Paul
2018-02-23 16:52               ` Liviu Dudau
2018-02-23 16:52                 ` Liviu Dudau
2018-02-23 16:25         ` Rob Clark
2018-02-23 16:25           ` Rob Clark
2018-02-23 16:43           ` Sean Paul
2018-02-23 16:43             ` Sean Paul
2018-02-23 16:48             ` Liviu Dudau
2018-02-23 16:48               ` Liviu Dudau
     [not found]               ` <20180223164858.GY9111-A/Nd4k6kWRHZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-23 17:04                 ` Sean Paul [this message]
2018-02-23 17:04                   ` Sean Paul
2018-02-23 13:17   ` [RFC 2/4] drm: writeback: Add out-fences for writeback connectors Rob Clark
2018-02-23 13:17     ` Rob Clark
     [not found]     ` <20180223131758.18362-3-robdclark-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-23 16:14       ` Sean Paul
2018-02-23 16:14         ` Sean Paul
2018-02-23 13:17   ` [RFC 3/4] drm/msm/mdp5: add config for writeback pipes Rob Clark
2018-02-23 13:17     ` Rob Clark
2018-02-23 16:32     ` Sean Paul
2018-02-23 16:32       ` Sean Paul
2018-02-23 13:17   ` [RFC 4/4] drm/msm/mdp5: writeback support Rob Clark
2018-02-23 13:17     ` Rob Clark
     [not found]     ` <20180223131758.18362-5-robdclark-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-23 16:30       ` Sean Paul
2018-02-23 16:30         ` Sean Paul
2018-02-23 18:15         ` Rob Clark
2018-02-23 18:15           ` Rob Clark
     [not found]           ` <CAF6AEGvAQu6zVO8d75YJgDLtpHJFxU0JGw8S7SR7HGOfMNPHXg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-02-26 15:41             ` Sean Paul
2018-02-26 15:41               ` Sean Paul

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