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From: Daniel Vetter <daniel-/w4YWyX8dFk@public.gmane.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/8] dma-buf: add peer2peer flag
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 09:13:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180420071312.GF31310@phenom.ffwll.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180419081657.GA16735-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 01:16:57AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 03:38:56PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > We've broken that assumption in i915 years ago. Not struct page backed
> > gpu memory is very real.
> > 
> > Of course we'll never feed such a strange sg table to a driver which
> > doesn't understand it, but allowing sg_page == NULL works perfectly
> > fine. At least for gpu drivers.
> 
> For GPU drivers on x86 with no dma coherency problems, sure.  But not
> all the world is x86.  We already have problems due to dmabugs use
> of the awkward get_sgtable interface (see the common on
> arm_dma_get_sgtable that I fully agree with), and doing this for memory
> that doesn't have a struct page at all will make things even worse.

x86 dma isn't coherent either, if you're a GPU :-) Flushing gpu caches
tends to be too expensive, so there's pci-e support and chipset support to
forgo it. Plus drivers flushing caches themselves.

The dma_get_sgtable thing is indeed fun, right solution would probably be
to push the dma-buf export down into the dma layer. The comment for
arm_dma_get_sgtable is also not a realy concern, because dma-buf also
abstracts away the flushing (or well is supposed to), so there really
shouldn't be anyone calling the streaming apis on the returned sg table.
That's why dma-buf gives you an sg table that's mapped already.

> > If that's not acceptable then I guess we could go over the entire tree
> > and frob all the gpu related code to switch over to a new struct
> > sg_table_might_not_be_struct_page_backed, including all the other
> > functions we added over the past few years to iterate over sg tables.
> > But seems slightly silly, given that sg tables seem to do exactly what
> > we need.
> 
> It isn't silly.  We will have to do some surgery like that anyway
> because the current APIs don't work.  So relax, sit back and come up
> with an API that solves the existing issues and serves us well in
> the future.

So we should just implement a copy of sg table for dma-buf, since I still
think it does exactly what we need for gpus?

Yes there's a bit a layering violation insofar that drivers really
shouldn't each have their own copy of "how do I convert a piece of dma
memory into  dma-buf", but that doesn't render the interface a bad idea.
-Daniel
-- 
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch
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From: Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: "Daniel Vetter" <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	"Jerome Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"moderated list:DMA BUFFER SHARING FRAMEWORK"
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	"open list:DMA BUFFER SHARING FRAMEWORK"
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	"Logan Gunthorpe" <logang@deltatee.com>,
	"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/8] dma-buf: add peer2peer flag
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 09:13:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180420071312.GF31310@phenom.ffwll.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180419081657.GA16735@infradead.org>

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 01:16:57AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 03:38:56PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > We've broken that assumption in i915 years ago. Not struct page backed
> > gpu memory is very real.
> > 
> > Of course we'll never feed such a strange sg table to a driver which
> > doesn't understand it, but allowing sg_page == NULL works perfectly
> > fine. At least for gpu drivers.
> 
> For GPU drivers on x86 with no dma coherency problems, sure.  But not
> all the world is x86.  We already have problems due to dmabugs use
> of the awkward get_sgtable interface (see the common on
> arm_dma_get_sgtable that I fully agree with), and doing this for memory
> that doesn't have a struct page at all will make things even worse.

x86 dma isn't coherent either, if you're a GPU :-) Flushing gpu caches
tends to be too expensive, so there's pci-e support and chipset support to
forgo it. Plus drivers flushing caches themselves.

The dma_get_sgtable thing is indeed fun, right solution would probably be
to push the dma-buf export down into the dma layer. The comment for
arm_dma_get_sgtable is also not a realy concern, because dma-buf also
abstracts away the flushing (or well is supposed to), so there really
shouldn't be anyone calling the streaming apis on the returned sg table.
That's why dma-buf gives you an sg table that's mapped already.

> > If that's not acceptable then I guess we could go over the entire tree
> > and frob all the gpu related code to switch over to a new struct
> > sg_table_might_not_be_struct_page_backed, including all the other
> > functions we added over the past few years to iterate over sg tables.
> > But seems slightly silly, given that sg tables seem to do exactly what
> > we need.
> 
> It isn't silly.  We will have to do some surgery like that anyway
> because the current APIs don't work.  So relax, sit back and come up
> with an API that solves the existing issues and serves us well in
> the future.

So we should just implement a copy of sg table for dma-buf, since I still
think it does exactly what we need for gpus?

Yes there's a bit a layering violation insofar that drivers really
shouldn't each have their own copy of "how do I convert a piece of dma
memory into  dma-buf", but that doesn't render the interface a bad idea.
-Daniel
-- 
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-04-20  7:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-25 10:59 [PATCH 1/8] lib/scatterlist: add sg_set_dma_addr() helper Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59 ` Christian König
     [not found] ` <20180325110000.2238-1-christian.koenig-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-25 10:59   ` [PATCH 2/8] PCI: Add pci_find_common_upstream_dev() Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59     ` Christian König
2018-03-28 12:38     ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]       ` <20180328123830.GB25060-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-28 15:07         ` Christian König
2018-03-28 15:07           ` Christian König
2018-03-28 15:47           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-28 16:02             ` Christian König
2018-03-28 16:02               ` Christian König
2018-03-28 16:25               ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <16c7bef8-5f03-9e89-1f50-b62fb139a36f-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-28 18:28                   ` Christian König
2018-03-28 18:28                     ` Christian König
2018-03-28 18:57                     ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]                       ` <e751cd28-f115-569f-5248-d24f30dee3cb-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-28 19:44                         ` Christian König
2018-03-28 19:44                           ` Christian König
2018-03-28 19:53                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-29 11:44                             ` Christian König
2018-03-29 15:45                               ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <98ce6cfd-bcf3-811e-a0f1-757b60da467a-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-29 16:10                                   ` Christian König
2018-03-29 16:10                                     ` Christian König
2018-03-29 16:25                                     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-29 18:15                                       ` Christian König
2018-03-29 18:15                                         ` Christian König
2018-03-30  1:58                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-03-30  1:58                                         ` Jerome Glisse
2018-03-30  6:33                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-03-30  6:33                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-03-30 15:25                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-03-30 18:46                                         ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-30 19:45                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2018-03-30 19:45                                             ` Jerome Glisse
2018-04-02 17:02                                             ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-02 17:20                                               ` Jerome Glisse
2018-04-02 17:20                                                 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-04-02 17:37                                                 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-02 19:16                                                   ` Jerome Glisse
2018-04-02 19:16                                                     ` Jerome Glisse
2018-04-02 19:32                                                     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-04-02 19:45                                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-04-02 19:45                                                         ` Jerome Glisse
     [not found]                             ` <CADnq5_P-z=Noos_jaME9_CERri3C-m2hPPvx2bArr36O=1FnrA@mail.gmail.com>
2018-03-29 14:37                               ` Alex Deucher
2018-03-29 14:37                                 ` Alex Deucher
2018-03-25 10:59   ` [PATCH 3/8] PCI: Add pci_peer_traffic_supported() Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59     ` Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59   ` [PATCH 5/8] drm/amdgpu: print DMA-buf status in debugfs Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59     ` Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59   ` [PATCH 6/8] drm/amdgpu: note that we can handle peer2peer DMA-buf Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59     ` Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59   ` [PATCH 7/8] drm/amdgpu: add amdgpu_gem_attach Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59     ` Christian König
2018-03-25 11:00   ` [PATCH 8/8] drm/amdgpu: add support for exporting VRAM using DMA-buf Christian König
2018-03-25 11:00     ` Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59 ` [PATCH 4/8] dma-buf: add peer2peer flag Christian König
2018-03-25 10:59   ` Christian König
     [not found]   ` <20180325110000.2238-4-christian.koenig-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-29  6:57     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-03-29  6:57       ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]       ` <20180329065753.GD3881-dv86pmgwkMBes7Z6vYuT8azUEOm+Xw19@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-29 11:34         ` Christian König
2018-03-29 11:34           ` Christian König
     [not found]           ` <8b823458-8bdc-3217-572b-509a28aae742-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-03  9:09             ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-03  9:09               ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]               ` <20180403090909.GN3881-dv86pmgwkMBes7Z6vYuT8azUEOm+Xw19@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-03 17:06                 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-04-03 17:06                   ` Jerome Glisse
     [not found]                   ` <20180403170645.GB5935-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-03 18:08                     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-03 18:08                       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-16 12:39                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-16 12:39                         ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                         ` <20180416123937.GA9073-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-16 13:38                           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-16 13:38                             ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-19  8:16                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-19  8:16                               ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                               ` <20180419081657.GA16735-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-20  7:13                                 ` Daniel Vetter [this message]
2018-04-20  7:13                                   ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]                                   ` <20180420071312.GF31310-dv86pmgwkMBes7Z6vYuT8azUEOm+Xw19@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-20  8:58                                     ` Christian König
2018-04-20  8:58                                       ` Christian König
2018-04-20 10:17                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-20 10:17                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                         ` <20180420101755.GA11400-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-20 10:44                                           ` Christian König
2018-04-20 10:44                                             ` Christian König
2018-04-20 12:46                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-20 15:21                                               ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Daniel Vetter
2018-04-24 18:48                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-24 18:48                                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-24 19:32                                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-24 19:32                                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  5:48                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  5:48                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                                       ` <20180425054855.GA17038-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-25  6:10                                                         ` Alex Deucher
2018-04-25  6:10                                                           ` Alex Deucher
2018-04-25  6:13                                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  6:13                                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  6:23                                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  6:23                                                           ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  6:43                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  6:43                                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                                             ` <20180425064335.GB28100-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-25  7:02                                                               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  7:02                                                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  7:09                                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  7:09                                                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                                                   ` <20180425070905.GA24827-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-25  7:30                                                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  7:30                                                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25  7:56                                                                       ` Thierry Reding
2018-04-25  7:56                                                                         ` Thierry Reding
2018-04-25  8:55                                                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  8:55                                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  7:43                                                                   ` Thierry Reding
2018-04-25  7:43                                                                     ` Thierry Reding
2018-04-25  7:41                                                             ` Thierry Reding
2018-04-25  7:41                                                               ` Thierry Reding
2018-04-25  8:54                                                               ` noveau vs arm dma ops Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  8:54                                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  8:54                                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  9:25                                                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-25  9:25                                                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-25 10:04                                                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25 10:04                                                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25 10:04                                                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25 15:33                                                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25 15:33                                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25 15:33                                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                                                     ` <20180425153312.GD27076-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-25 21:35                                                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25 21:35                                                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25 21:35                                                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-25 23:26                                                                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-25 23:26                                                                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                                                                           ` <20180425232646.GR16141-l+eeeJia6m9URfEZ8mYm6t73F7V6hmMc@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-26  9:17                                                                             ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:17                                                                               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:17                                                                               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:09                                                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-26  9:09                                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-26  9:09                                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                                                           ` <20180426090942.GA18811-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-26  9:45                                                                             ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:45                                                                               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:45                                                                               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26 11:12                                                                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-26 11:12                                                                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-25 22:54                                                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-25 22:54                                                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-04-26  9:13                                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-26  9:13                                                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-26  9:13                                                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-26  9:20                                                                       ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:20                                                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:20                                                                         ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]                                                                         ` <CAKMK7uG9R6paoP4BmvqDVUP_4Db4Dz8MSXeLwUBMYaORa5-kVw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-26  9:24                                                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-26  9:24                                                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-26  9:24                                                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-26  9:39                                                                             ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:39                                                                               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-26  9:39                                                                               ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]                                                         ` <CAKMK7uEFitkNQrD6cLX5Txe11XhVO=LC4YKJXH=VNdq+CY=DjQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-25  6:24                                                           ` [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH 4/8] dma-buf: add peer2peer flag Alex Deucher
2018-04-25  6:24                                                             ` Alex Deucher
2018-04-25  6:41                                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-04-25  6:41                                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                                               ` <20180425064118.GA28100-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-25 17:44                                                                 ` Alex Deucher
2018-04-25 17:44                                                                   ` Alex Deucher
2018-04-25 18:38                                                                   ` Dan Williams
2018-04-25 18:38                                                                     ` Dan Williams
2018-05-04 12:45                                                                   ` Lucas Stach
2018-03-28 12:37 ` [PATCH 1/8] lib/scatterlist: add sg_set_dma_addr() helper Christoph Hellwig
2018-03-28 12:37   ` Christoph Hellwig

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