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From: Marcus Folkesson <marcus.folkesson@gmail.com>
To: Andrzej Pietrasiewicz <andrzej.p@samsung.com>
Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Felipe Balbi <balbi@kernel.org>,
	davem@davemloft.net,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+samsung@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	Ruslan Bilovol <ruslan.bilovol@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Kate Stewart <kstewart@linuxfoundation.org>,
	linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] usb: gadget: ccid: add support for USB CCID Gadget Device
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 11:32:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180528093254.GC4651@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180528091229eucas1p20cfbb68cdfaa6de2cf5b5a7e2bdac72c~yxAUSF7e61070710707eucas1p2j@eucas1p2.samsung.com>

Hi Andrzej,

Thank you for reviewing.

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:12:27AM +0200, Andrzej Pietrasiewicz wrote:
> W dniu 28.05.2018 o 10:38, Marcus Folkesson pisze:
> > Hi Andrzej,
> > 
> > On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 09:04:51AM +0200, Andrzej Pietrasiewicz wrote:
> >> Mi Marcus,
> >>
> >> W dniu 26.05.2018 o 23:19, Marcus Folkesson pisze:
> >>> Chip Card Interface Device (CCID) protocol is a USB protocol that
> >>> allows a smartcard device to be connected to a computer via a card
> >>> reader using a standard USB interface, without the need for each manufacturer
> >>> of smartcards to provide its own reader or protocol.
> >>>
> >>> This gadget driver makes Linux show up as a CCID device to the host and let a
> >>> userspace daemon act as the smartcard.
> >>>
> >>> This is useful when the Linux gadget itself should act as a cryptographic
> >>> device or forward APDUs to an embedded smartcard device.
> >>>
> >>> Signed-off-by: Marcus Folkesson <marcus.folkesson@gmail.com>
> >>> ---
> >>
> >>>    
> >>> +config USB_CONFIGFS_CCID
> >>> +	bool "Chip Card Interface Device (CCID)"
> >>> +	depends on USB_CONFIGFS
> >>> +	select USB_F_CCID
> >>> +	help
> >>> +	  The CCID function driver provides generic emulation of a
> >>> +	  Chip Card Interface Device (CCID).
> >>> +
> >>> +	  You will need a user space server talking to /dev/ccidg*,
> >>> +	  since the kernel itself does not implement CCID/TPDU/APDU
> >>> +	  protocol.
> >>
> >> Your function needs a userspace daemon to work.
> >> It seems you want to use FunctionFS for such a purpose
> >> instead of creating a new function.
> >>
> >> Andrzej
> > 
> >>> +	  since the kernel itself does not implement CCID/TPDU/APDU
> > Oops, the driver does handle CCID.
> 
> Which parts of code do this handling?

My bad, I was thinking about the USB descriptors and endpoints setup.
That is of cause not part of the CCID protocol.

> 
> Is there any kind of state machine usual for protocols?
> If the protocol is stateless then isn't it just a data format then?

The protocol is stateless.

> 
> Which part of this handling must be done in kernel and why?
> 
> Does the said handling do anything other than forwarding the
> traffic between USB and a character device?

No, it forward the CCID messages to the character device to be handled
by the application.

> 
> What is the character device used for? I know: read, write and poll.
> But why? To do what?

It is used for the application to fetch, interpret and then perform actions depending on
commands.

> 
> > 
> > Well, yes, It needs an application that perform the "smartcard operations", such as
> > generate keys or sign data, as this depends on how it should be used.
> > 
> > The actual smartcard operations could for example be in software,
> > use a crypto engine in SoC or external HSM (Hardware Security Module).
> > 
> > Without the application, the gadget shows up as a smart card reader
> > with an unconnected smartcard.
> > 
> 
> Does showing up as anything require anything other than merely
> providing USB descriptors?

I guess.

> 
> Andrzej

Thank you,
Marcus
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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Marcus Folkesson <marcus.folkesson@gmail.com>
To: Andrzej Pietrasiewicz <andrzej.p@samsung.com>
Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Felipe Balbi <balbi@kernel.org>,
	davem@davemloft.net,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+samsung@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	Ruslan Bilovol <ruslan.bilovol@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Kate Stewart <kstewart@linuxfoundation.org>,
	linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [v2,1/3] usb: gadget: ccid: add support for USB CCID Gadget Device
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 11:32:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180528093254.GC4651@gmail.com> (raw)

Hi Andrzej,

Thank you for reviewing.

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:12:27AM +0200, Andrzej Pietrasiewicz wrote:
> W dniu 28.05.2018 o 10:38, Marcus Folkesson pisze:
> > Hi Andrzej,
> > 
> > On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 09:04:51AM +0200, Andrzej Pietrasiewicz wrote:
> >> Mi Marcus,
> >>
> >> W dniu 26.05.2018 o 23:19, Marcus Folkesson pisze:
> >>> Chip Card Interface Device (CCID) protocol is a USB protocol that
> >>> allows a smartcard device to be connected to a computer via a card
> >>> reader using a standard USB interface, without the need for each manufacturer
> >>> of smartcards to provide its own reader or protocol.
> >>>
> >>> This gadget driver makes Linux show up as a CCID device to the host and let a
> >>> userspace daemon act as the smartcard.
> >>>
> >>> This is useful when the Linux gadget itself should act as a cryptographic
> >>> device or forward APDUs to an embedded smartcard device.
> >>>
> >>> Signed-off-by: Marcus Folkesson <marcus.folkesson@gmail.com>
> >>> ---
> >>
> >>>    
> >>> +config USB_CONFIGFS_CCID
> >>> +	bool "Chip Card Interface Device (CCID)"
> >>> +	depends on USB_CONFIGFS
> >>> +	select USB_F_CCID
> >>> +	help
> >>> +	  The CCID function driver provides generic emulation of a
> >>> +	  Chip Card Interface Device (CCID).
> >>> +
> >>> +	  You will need a user space server talking to /dev/ccidg*,
> >>> +	  since the kernel itself does not implement CCID/TPDU/APDU
> >>> +	  protocol.
> >>
> >> Your function needs a userspace daemon to work.
> >> It seems you want to use FunctionFS for such a purpose
> >> instead of creating a new function.
> >>
> >> Andrzej
> > 
> >>> +	  since the kernel itself does not implement CCID/TPDU/APDU
> > Oops, the driver does handle CCID.
> 
> Which parts of code do this handling?

My bad, I was thinking about the USB descriptors and endpoints setup.
That is of cause not part of the CCID protocol.

> 
> Is there any kind of state machine usual for protocols?
> If the protocol is stateless then isn't it just a data format then?

The protocol is stateless.

> 
> Which part of this handling must be done in kernel and why?
> 
> Does the said handling do anything other than forwarding the
> traffic between USB and a character device?

No, it forward the CCID messages to the character device to be handled
by the application.

> 
> What is the character device used for? I know: read, write and poll.
> But why? To do what?

It is used for the application to fetch, interpret and then perform actions depending on
commands.

> 
> > 
> > Well, yes, It needs an application that perform the "smartcard operations", such as
> > generate keys or sign data, as this depends on how it should be used.
> > 
> > The actual smartcard operations could for example be in software,
> > use a crypto engine in SoC or external HSM (Hardware Security Module).
> > 
> > Without the application, the gadget shows up as a smart card reader
> > with an unconnected smartcard.
> > 
> 
> Does showing up as anything require anything other than merely
> providing USB descriptors?

I guess.

> 
> Andrzej

Thank you,
Marcus
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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Marcus Folkesson <marcus.folkesson@gmail.com>
To: Andrzej Pietrasiewicz <andrzej.p@samsung.com>
Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Felipe Balbi <balbi@kernel.org>,
	davem@davemloft.net,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+samsung@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	Ruslan Bilovol <ruslan.bilovol@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Kate Stewart <kstewart@linuxfoundation.org>,
	linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] usb: gadget: ccid: add support for USB CCID Gadget Device
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 11:32:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180528093254.GC4651@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180528091229eucas1p20cfbb68cdfaa6de2cf5b5a7e2bdac72c~yxAUSF7e61070710707eucas1p2j@eucas1p2.samsung.com>

Hi Andrzej,

Thank you for reviewing.

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:12:27AM +0200, Andrzej Pietrasiewicz wrote:
> W dniu 28.05.2018 o 10:38, Marcus Folkesson pisze:
> > Hi Andrzej,
> > 
> > On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 09:04:51AM +0200, Andrzej Pietrasiewicz wrote:
> >> Mi Marcus,
> >>
> >> W dniu 26.05.2018 o 23:19, Marcus Folkesson pisze:
> >>> Chip Card Interface Device (CCID) protocol is a USB protocol that
> >>> allows a smartcard device to be connected to a computer via a card
> >>> reader using a standard USB interface, without the need for each manufacturer
> >>> of smartcards to provide its own reader or protocol.
> >>>
> >>> This gadget driver makes Linux show up as a CCID device to the host and let a
> >>> userspace daemon act as the smartcard.
> >>>
> >>> This is useful when the Linux gadget itself should act as a cryptographic
> >>> device or forward APDUs to an embedded smartcard device.
> >>>
> >>> Signed-off-by: Marcus Folkesson <marcus.folkesson@gmail.com>
> >>> ---
> >>
> >>>    
> >>> +config USB_CONFIGFS_CCID
> >>> +	bool "Chip Card Interface Device (CCID)"
> >>> +	depends on USB_CONFIGFS
> >>> +	select USB_F_CCID
> >>> +	help
> >>> +	  The CCID function driver provides generic emulation of a
> >>> +	  Chip Card Interface Device (CCID).
> >>> +
> >>> +	  You will need a user space server talking to /dev/ccidg*,
> >>> +	  since the kernel itself does not implement CCID/TPDU/APDU
> >>> +	  protocol.
> >>
> >> Your function needs a userspace daemon to work.
> >> It seems you want to use FunctionFS for such a purpose
> >> instead of creating a new function.
> >>
> >> Andrzej
> > 
> >>> +	  since the kernel itself does not implement CCID/TPDU/APDU
> > Oops, the driver does handle CCID.
> 
> Which parts of code do this handling?

My bad, I was thinking about the USB descriptors and endpoints setup.
That is of cause not part of the CCID protocol.

> 
> Is there any kind of state machine usual for protocols?
> If the protocol is stateless then isn't it just a data format then?

The protocol is stateless.

> 
> Which part of this handling must be done in kernel and why?
> 
> Does the said handling do anything other than forwarding the
> traffic between USB and a character device?

No, it forward the CCID messages to the character device to be handled
by the application.

> 
> What is the character device used for? I know: read, write and poll.
> But why? To do what?

It is used for the application to fetch, interpret and then perform actions depending on
commands.

> 
> > 
> > Well, yes, It needs an application that perform the "smartcard operations", such as
> > generate keys or sign data, as this depends on how it should be used.
> > 
> > The actual smartcard operations could for example be in software,
> > use a crypto engine in SoC or external HSM (Hardware Security Module).
> > 
> > Without the application, the gadget shows up as a smart card reader
> > with an unconnected smartcard.
> > 
> 
> Does showing up as anything require anything other than merely
> providing USB descriptors?

I guess.

> 
> Andrzej

Thank you,
Marcus

  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-28  9:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CGME20180526212048epcas2p1510fd6c92f20e8f6d0059742ab5fb3f7@epcas2p1.samsung.com>
2018-05-26 21:19 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] usb: gadget: ccid: add support for USB CCID Gadget Device Marcus Folkesson
2018-05-26 21:19   ` Marcus Folkesson
2018-05-26 21:19   ` [v2,1/3] " Marcus Folkesson
2018-05-26 21:19   ` [PATCH v2 2/3] Documentation: usb: add documentation " Marcus Folkesson
2018-05-26 21:19     ` Marcus Folkesson
2018-05-26 21:19     ` [v2,2/3] " Marcus Folkesson
2018-05-27 23:36     ` [PATCH v2 2/3] " Randy Dunlap
2018-05-27 23:36       ` Randy Dunlap
2018-05-27 23:36       ` [v2,2/3] " Randy Dunlap
2018-05-28  7:42       ` [PATCH v2 2/3] " Marcus Folkesson
2018-05-28  7:42         ` Marcus Folkesson
2018-05-28  7:42         ` [v2,2/3] " Marcus Folkesson
2018-05-26 21:19   ` [PATCH v2 3/3] MAINTAINERS: add " Marcus Folkesson
2018-05-26 21:19     ` Marcus Folkesson
2018-05-26 21:19     ` [v2,3/3] " Marcus Folkesson
2018-05-28  7:04   ` [PATCH v2 1/3] usb: gadget: ccid: add support for " Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2018-05-28  7:04     ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2018-05-28  7:04     ` [v2,1/3] " Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2018-05-28  8:38     ` [PATCH v2 1/3] " Marcus Folkesson
2018-05-28  8:38       ` Marcus Folkesson
2018-05-28  8:38       ` [v2,1/3] " Marcus Folkesson
2018-05-28  9:12       ` [PATCH v2 1/3] " Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2018-05-28  9:12         ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2018-05-28  9:12         ` [v2,1/3] " Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2018-05-28  9:32         ` Marcus Folkesson [this message]
2018-05-28  9:32           ` [PATCH v2 1/3] " Marcus Folkesson
2018-05-28  9:32           ` [v2,1/3] " Marcus Folkesson
2018-05-28  9:58           ` [PATCH v2 1/3] " Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2018-05-28  9:58             ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2018-05-28  9:58             ` [v2,1/3] " Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2018-05-29  1:15   ` [PATCH v2 1/3] " kbuild test robot
2018-05-29  1:15     ` [v2,1/3] " kbuild test robot
2018-05-29  2:57   ` [RFC PATCH] usb: gadget: ccid: ccidg_start_ep() can be static kbuild test robot
2018-05-29  2:57     ` kbuild test robot
2018-05-29  2:57     ` [RFC] " kbuild test robot
2018-05-29  2:57   ` [PATCH v2 1/3] usb: gadget: ccid: add support for USB CCID Gadget Device kbuild test robot
2018-05-29  2:57     ` kbuild test robot
2018-05-29  2:57     ` [v2,1/3] " kbuild test robot

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