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From: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Cc: Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com>,
	Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Morten Rasmussen <Morten.Rasmussen@arm.com>,
	viresh kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Valentin Schneider <valentin.schneider@arm.com>,
	Quentin Perret <quentin.perret@arm.com>,
	Luca Abeni <luca.abeni@santannapisa.it>,
	Claudio Scordino <claudio@evidence.eu.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	"Cc: Android Kernel" <kernel-team@android.com>,
	Alessio Balsini <alessio.balsini@santannapisa.it>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 05/10] cpufreq/schedutil: get max utilization
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:12:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180604101247.GB2731@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKfTPtD9KQTeeP0BNyhnqh=UXL0T_jK0PcvWWBjoyj0VC8TkRg@mail.gmail.com>

On 04/06/18 09:14, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> On 4 June 2018 at 09:04, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com> wrote:
> > Hi Vincent,
> >
> > On 04/06/18 08:41, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> >> On 1 June 2018 at 19:45, Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com> wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Jun 01, 2018 at 03:53:07PM +0200, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> > IMO I feel its overkill to account dl_avg when we already have DL's running
> >> > bandwidth we can use. I understand it may be too instanenous, but perhaps we
> >>
> >> We keep using dl bandwidth which is quite correct for dl needs but
> >> doesn't reflect how it has disturbed other classes
> >>
> >> > can fix CFS's problems within CFS itself and not have to do this kind of
> >> > extra external accounting ?
> >
> > I would also keep accounting for waiting time due to higher prio classes
> > all inside CFS. My impression, when discussing it with you on IRC, was
> > that we should be able to do that by not decaying cfs.util_avg when CFS
> > is preempted (creating a new signal for it). Is not this enough?
> 
> We don't just want to not decay a signal but increase the signal to
> reflect the amount of preemption

OK.

> Then, we can't do that in a current signal. So you would like to add
> another metrics in cfs_rq ?

Since it's CFS related, I'd say it should fit in CFS.

> The place doesn't really matter to be honest in cfs_rq or in dl_rq but
> you will not prevent to add call in dl class to start/stop the
> accounting of the preemption
> 
> >
> > I feel we should try to keep cross-class accounting/interaction at a
> > minimum.
> 
> accounting for cross class preemption can't be done without
> cross-class accounting

Mmm, can't we distinguish in, say, pick_next_task_fair() if prev was of
higher prio class and act accordingly?

Thanks,

- Juri

  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-04 10:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-25 13:12 [PATCH v5 00/10] track CPU utilization Vincent Guittot
2018-05-25 13:12 ` [PATCH v5 01/10] sched/pelt: Move pelt related code in a dedicated file Vincent Guittot
2018-05-25 14:26   ` Quentin Perret
2018-05-25 16:14     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-29  8:21       ` Quentin Perret
2018-05-25 18:04     ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-29 14:55       ` Quentin Perret
2018-05-29 15:02         ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-29 15:04           ` Quentin Perret
2018-05-25 13:12 ` [PATCH v5 02/10] sched/rt: add rt_rq utilization tracking Vincent Guittot
2018-05-25 15:54   ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-29 13:29     ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-30  9:32       ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-30 10:06         ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-30 11:01           ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-30 14:39             ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-25 13:12 ` [PATCH v5 03/10] cpufreq/schedutil: add rt " Vincent Guittot
2018-05-30  7:03   ` Viresh Kumar
2018-05-30  8:23     ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-30  9:40   ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-30  9:53     ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-30 16:46   ` Quentin Perret
2018-05-31  8:46     ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-01 16:23       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-01 17:23         ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-06-04 10:17           ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-04 15:16             ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-25 13:12 ` [PATCH v5 04/10] sched/dl: add dl_rq " Vincent Guittot
2018-05-30 10:50   ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-30 11:51     ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-25 13:12 ` [PATCH v5 05/10] cpufreq/schedutil: get max utilization Vincent Guittot
2018-05-28 10:12   ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-28 14:57     ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-28 15:22       ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-28 16:34         ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-31 10:27           ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-31 13:02             ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-01 13:53               ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-01 17:45                 ` Joel Fernandes
2018-06-04  6:41                   ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-04  7:04                     ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-04  7:14                       ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-04 10:12                         ` Juri Lelli [this message]
2018-06-04 12:35                           ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-29  5:08     ` Joel Fernandes
2018-05-29  6:31       ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-29  6:48         ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-29  9:47           ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-29  8:40   ` Quentin Perret
2018-05-29  9:52     ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-30  8:37       ` Quentin Perret
2018-05-30  8:51         ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-25 13:12 ` [PATCH v5 06/10] sched: remove rt and dl from sched_avg Vincent Guittot
2018-05-25 13:12 ` [PATCH v5 07/10] sched/irq: add irq utilization tracking Vincent Guittot
2018-05-30 15:55   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-05-30 18:45     ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-31 16:54       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-06-06 16:06         ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-07  8:29           ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-06-07  8:44             ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-07  9:06               ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-05-25 13:12 ` [PATCH v5 08/10] cpufreq/schedutil: take into account interrupt Vincent Guittot
2018-05-28 10:41   ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-28 12:06     ` Vincent Guittot
2018-05-28 12:37       ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-25 13:12 ` [PATCH v5 09/10] sched: remove rt_avg code Vincent Guittot
2018-05-25 13:12 ` [PATCH v5 10/10] proc/sched: remove unused sched_time_avg_ms Vincent Guittot
2018-06-04 16:50 ` [PATCH v5 00/10] track CPU utilization Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-04 17:13   ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-04 18:08   ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-05 14:18     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-05 15:03       ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-05 15:38       ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-06-05 22:27         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-06-06  9:44       ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-06  9:59         ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-06 10:02           ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-06 10:12           ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-05  8:36 ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-05 10:57   ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-05 11:59     ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-05 13:12       ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-05 13:18         ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-05 13:52           ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-05 13:55             ` Vincent Guittot
2018-06-05 14:09               ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-05 14:21                 ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-05 12:11     ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-05 13:05       ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-05 13:15         ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-05 14:01           ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-05 14:13             ` Juri Lelli
2018-06-06 13:05               ` Claudio Scordino
2018-06-06 13:20                 ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-06 13:53                   ` Claudio Scordino
2018-06-06 14:10                     ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-06 21:05                   ` luca abeni
2018-06-07  8:25                     ` Quentin Perret
2018-06-06 20:53                 ` luca abeni

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