Enabling i915.fastboot=1 by default

Enabling i915.fastboot=1 by default

[Hans de Goede]

Hi All,

So I'm working on making Linux boot in a complete
flickerfree manner (no modesets, no black screens).

I have this working on various machines with Intel
gfx, but I need to pass i915.fastboot=1 on the kernel
commandline.

I know there was some talk about enabling this by
default a while ago, but it seems that that still
has not happened (yet?).

I'm wondering what is holding this back ? Maybe we
can change it from a bool to an int, init it to -1
and when it is -1 have some automatic detection
code which disables it where it is known to be
troublesome and otherwise enables it by default?

Regards,

Hans

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Re: Enabling i915.fastboot=1 by default

[Maarten Lankhorst]

Op 06-06-18 om 11:09 schreef Hans de Goede:
> Hi All,
>
> So I'm working on making Linux boot in a complete
> flickerfree manner (no modesets, no black screens).
>
> I have this working on various machines with Intel
> gfx, but I need to pass i915.fastboot=1 on the kernel
> commandline.
>
> I know there was some talk about enabling this by
> default a while ago, but it seems that that still
> has not happened (yet?).
>
> I'm wondering what is holding this back ? Maybe we
> can change it from a bool to an int, init it to -1
> and when it is -1 have some automatic detection
> code which disables it where it is known to be
> troublesome and otherwise enables it by default? 

Main reason are bugs like https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103781 and our hw
readout not being perfect. On some haswell/broadwell eDP laptops we stop generating vblanks
when we fastboot, and in general we don't trust our code enough for that.

The automatic detection code is already in place, we modeset if the mode is not compatible
enough, but we don't catch all the cases where this might happen.

~Maarten

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Re: Enabling i915.fastboot=1 by default

[Hans de Goede]

Hi,

On 06-06-18 11:36, Maarten Lankhorst wrote:
> Op 06-06-18 om 11:09 schreef Hans de Goede:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> So I'm working on making Linux boot in a complete
>> flickerfree manner (no modesets, no black screens).
>>
>> I have this working on various machines with Intel
>> gfx, but I need to pass i915.fastboot=1 on the kernel
>> commandline.
>>
>> I know there was some talk about enabling this by
>> default a while ago, but it seems that that still
>> has not happened (yet?).
>>
>> I'm wondering what is holding this back ? Maybe we
>> can change it from a bool to an int, init it to -1
>> and when it is -1 have some automatic detection
>> code which disables it where it is known to be
>> troublesome and otherwise enables it by default?
> 
> Main reason are bugs like https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103781 and our hw
> readout not being perfect. On some haswell/broadwell eDP laptops we stop generating vblanks
> when we fastboot, and in general we don't trust our code enough for that.
> 
> The automatic detection code is already in place, we modeset if the mode is not compatible
> enough, but we don't catch all the cases where this might happen.

Right but the "mode is not compatible" check will be always
necessary, because e.g. some BIOs-es insist in bringing
up the display in 1024x768 instead of its native mode.

What I meant is, something like check which generation we are on
(and maybe if a specific type of output is used or not if that
does not convolute the code too much).

E.g. you mention vblank issues with haswell/broadwell eDP,
so if i915.fastboot=-1 we would then disable fastboot
if we are on a haswell or broadwell and eDP is used.

Or we could simply disable it on all haswell/broadwell devices
when i915.fastboot=-1 used, but maybe enable on skylake and
newer?

Regards,

Hans
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Re: Enabling i915.fastboot=1 by default

[Maarten Lankhorst]

Op 06-06-18 om 11:54 schreef Hans de Goede:
> Hi,
>
> On 06-06-18 11:36, Maarten Lankhorst wrote:
>> Op 06-06-18 om 11:09 schreef Hans de Goede:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> So I'm working on making Linux boot in a complete
>>> flickerfree manner (no modesets, no black screens).
>>>
>>> I have this working on various machines with Intel
>>> gfx, but I need to pass i915.fastboot=1 on the kernel
>>> commandline.
>>>
>>> I know there was some talk about enabling this by
>>> default a while ago, but it seems that that still
>>> has not happened (yet?).
>>>
>>> I'm wondering what is holding this back ? Maybe we
>>> can change it from a bool to an int, init it to -1
>>> and when it is -1 have some automatic detection
>>> code which disables it where it is known to be
>>> troublesome and otherwise enables it by default?
>>
>> Main reason are bugs like https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103781 and our hw
>> readout not being perfect. On some haswell/broadwell eDP laptops we stop generating vblanks
>> when we fastboot, and in general we don't trust our code enough for that.
>>
>> The automatic detection code is already in place, we modeset if the mode is not compatible
>> enough, but we don't catch all the cases where this might happen.
>
> Right but the "mode is not compatible" check will be always
> necessary, because e.g. some BIOs-es insist in bringing
> up the display in 1024x768 instead of its native mode.

It's not just the mode we're checking, any parameter in intel_pipe_config_compare is
checked and adjusted. This code is also run after each modeset. If the panel fitter is
used we don't need to modeset from 1024x768, we will just disable the panel fitter.

> What I meant is, something like check which generation we are on
> (and maybe if a specific type of output is used or not if that
> does not convolute the code too much).
>
> E.g. you mention vblank issues with haswell/broadwell eDP,
> so if i915.fastboot=-1 we would then disable fastboot
> if we are on a haswell or broadwell and eDP is used.

I think we shouldn't put any code in adding workarounds or detection, but fix
those bugs and then retry enabling things.

> Or we could simply disable it on all haswell/broadwell devices
> when i915.fastboot=-1 used, but maybe enable on skylake and
> newer? 
First step is making sure we use the code for everything except the initial modeset, already had a patch for that,
but it needs some fixing since new warnings pop up..

https://patchwork.freedesktop.org/series/43248/
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Re: Enabling i915.fastboot=1 by default

[Hans de Goede]

Hi,

On 06-06-18 12:43, Maarten Lankhorst wrote:
> Op 06-06-18 om 11:54 schreef Hans de Goede:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 06-06-18 11:36, Maarten Lankhorst wrote:
>>> Op 06-06-18 om 11:09 schreef Hans de Goede:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> So I'm working on making Linux boot in a complete
>>>> flickerfree manner (no modesets, no black screens).
>>>>
>>>> I have this working on various machines with Intel
>>>> gfx, but I need to pass i915.fastboot=1 on the kernel
>>>> commandline.
>>>>
>>>> I know there was some talk about enabling this by
>>>> default a while ago, but it seems that that still
>>>> has not happened (yet?).
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering what is holding this back ? Maybe we
>>>> can change it from a bool to an int, init it to -1
>>>> and when it is -1 have some automatic detection
>>>> code which disables it where it is known to be
>>>> troublesome and otherwise enables it by default?
>>>
>>> Main reason are bugs like https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103781 and our hw
>>> readout not being perfect. On some haswell/broadwell eDP laptops we stop generating vblanks
>>> when we fastboot, and in general we don't trust our code enough for that.
>>>
>>> The automatic detection code is already in place, we modeset if the mode is not compatible
>>> enough, but we don't catch all the cases where this might happen.
>>
>> Right but the "mode is not compatible" check will be always
>> necessary, because e.g. some BIOs-es insist in bringing
>> up the display in 1024x768 instead of its native mode.
> 
> It's not just the mode we're checking, any parameter in intel_pipe_config_compare is
> checked and adjusted. This code is also run after each modeset. If the panel fitter is
> used we don't need to modeset from 1024x768, we will just disable the panel fitter.
> 
>> What I meant is, something like check which generation we are on
>> (and maybe if a specific type of output is used or not if that
>> does not convolute the code too much).
>>
>> E.g. you mention vblank issues with haswell/broadwell eDP,
>> so if i915.fastboot=-1 we would then disable fastboot
>> if we are on a haswell or broadwell and eDP is used.
> 
> I think we shouldn't put any code in adding workarounds or detection, but fix
> those bugs and then retry enabling things.

But enabling it for all generations at once feels to me like
we will never end up enabling it because of an issue on some
generations only. There are plenty of other cases where
features are enabled by default on a generation by generation
basis. I agree that ideally we end up enabling this everywhere,
but enabling it by default everywhere at once feel like you
are aiming a bit too high.

>> Or we could simply disable it on all haswell/broadwell devices
>> when i915.fastboot=-1 used, but maybe enable on skylake and
>> newer?
> First step is making sure we use the code for everything except the initial modeset, already had a patch for that,
> but it needs some fixing since new warnings pop up..
> 
> https://patchwork.freedesktop.org/series/43248/

That sounds like a good first step, I'm afraid I don't have time to
look into the test failures myself. If you have some time to
take a second look at this that would be great.

Regards,

Hans
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Re: Enabling i915.fastboot=1 by default

[Rodrigo Vivi]

On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 02:12:36PM +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 06-06-18 12:43, Maarten Lankhorst wrote:
> > Op 06-06-18 om 11:54 schreef Hans de Goede:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > On 06-06-18 11:36, Maarten Lankhorst wrote:
> > > > Op 06-06-18 om 11:09 schreef Hans de Goede:
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > 
> > > > > So I'm working on making Linux boot in a complete
> > > > > flickerfree manner (no modesets, no black screens).
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have this working on various machines with Intel
> > > > > gfx, but I need to pass i915.fastboot=1 on the kernel
> > > > > commandline.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I know there was some talk about enabling this by
> > > > > default a while ago, but it seems that that still
> > > > > has not happened (yet?).
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm wondering what is holding this back ? Maybe we
> > > > > can change it from a bool to an int, init it to -1
> > > > > and when it is -1 have some automatic detection
> > > > > code which disables it where it is known to be
> > > > > troublesome and otherwise enables it by default?
> > > > 
> > > > Main reason are bugs like https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103781 and our hw
> > > > readout not being perfect. On some haswell/broadwell eDP laptops we stop generating vblanks
> > > > when we fastboot, and in general we don't trust our code enough for that.
> > > > 
> > > > The automatic detection code is already in place, we modeset if the mode is not compatible
> > > > enough, but we don't catch all the cases where this might happen.
> > > 
> > > Right but the "mode is not compatible" check will be always
> > > necessary, because e.g. some BIOs-es insist in bringing
> > > up the display in 1024x768 instead of its native mode.
> > 
> > It's not just the mode we're checking, any parameter in intel_pipe_config_compare is
> > checked and adjusted. This code is also run after each modeset. If the panel fitter is
> > used we don't need to modeset from 1024x768, we will just disable the panel fitter.
> > 
> > > What I meant is, something like check which generation we are on
> > > (and maybe if a specific type of output is used or not if that
> > > does not convolute the code too much).
> > > 
> > > E.g. you mention vblank issues with haswell/broadwell eDP,
> > > so if i915.fastboot=-1 we would then disable fastboot
> > > if we are on a haswell or broadwell and eDP is used.
> > 
> > I think we shouldn't put any code in adding workarounds or detection, but fix
> > those bugs and then retry enabling things.
> 
> But enabling it for all generations at once feels to me like
> we will never end up enabling it because of an issue on some
> generations only. There are plenty of other cases where
> features are enabled by default on a generation by generation
> basis. I agree that ideally we end up enabling this everywhere,
> but enabling it by default everywhere at once feel like you
> are aiming a bit too high.

I agree with Hans on this point. It is not a matter of workaround
or detection, but a matter of bandwidth to deal with validation and
incoming bugs, specially when the behaviour changes for different
gens.

On the PSR front, for instance, we are focused on enabling first on SKL
and expand that for other platforms.

> 
> > > Or we could simply disable it on all haswell/broadwell devices
> > > when i915.fastboot=-1 used, but maybe enable on skylake and
> > > newer?
> > First step is making sure we use the code for everything except the initial modeset, already had a patch for that,
> > but it needs some fixing since new warnings pop up..
> > 
> > https://patchwork.freedesktop.org/series/43248/
> 
> That sounds like a good first step, I'm afraid I don't have time to
> look into the test failures myself. If you have some time to
> take a second look at this that would be great.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Hans
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Re: Enabling i915.fastboot=1 by default

[Hans de Goede]

Hi,

On 06-06-18 20:12, Rodrigo Vivi wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 02:12:36PM +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 06-06-18 12:43, Maarten Lankhorst wrote:
>>> Op 06-06-18 om 11:54 schreef Hans de Goede:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On 06-06-18 11:36, Maarten Lankhorst wrote:
>>>>> Op 06-06-18 om 11:09 schreef Hans de Goede:
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I'm working on making Linux boot in a complete
>>>>>> flickerfree manner (no modesets, no black screens).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have this working on various machines with Intel
>>>>>> gfx, but I need to pass i915.fastboot=1 on the kernel
>>>>>> commandline.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know there was some talk about enabling this by
>>>>>> default a while ago, but it seems that that still
>>>>>> has not happened (yet?).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm wondering what is holding this back ? Maybe we
>>>>>> can change it from a bool to an int, init it to -1
>>>>>> and when it is -1 have some automatic detection
>>>>>> code which disables it where it is known to be
>>>>>> troublesome and otherwise enables it by default?
>>>>>
>>>>> Main reason are bugs like https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103781 and our hw
>>>>> readout not being perfect. On some haswell/broadwell eDP laptops we stop generating vblanks
>>>>> when we fastboot, and in general we don't trust our code enough for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> The automatic detection code is already in place, we modeset if the mode is not compatible
>>>>> enough, but we don't catch all the cases where this might happen.
>>>>
>>>> Right but the "mode is not compatible" check will be always
>>>> necessary, because e.g. some BIOs-es insist in bringing
>>>> up the display in 1024x768 instead of its native mode.
>>>
>>> It's not just the mode we're checking, any parameter in intel_pipe_config_compare is
>>> checked and adjusted. This code is also run after each modeset. If the panel fitter is
>>> used we don't need to modeset from 1024x768, we will just disable the panel fitter.
>>>
>>>> What I meant is, something like check which generation we are on
>>>> (and maybe if a specific type of output is used or not if that
>>>> does not convolute the code too much).
>>>>
>>>> E.g. you mention vblank issues with haswell/broadwell eDP,
>>>> so if i915.fastboot=-1 we would then disable fastboot
>>>> if we are on a haswell or broadwell and eDP is used.
>>>
>>> I think we shouldn't put any code in adding workarounds or detection, but fix
>>> those bugs and then retry enabling things.
>>
>> But enabling it for all generations at once feels to me like
>> we will never end up enabling it because of an issue on some
>> generations only. There are plenty of other cases where
>> features are enabled by default on a generation by generation
>> basis. I agree that ideally we end up enabling this everywhere,
>> but enabling it by default everywhere at once feel like you
>> are aiming a bit too high.
> 
> I agree with Hans on this point. It is not a matter of workaround
> or detection, but a matter of bandwidth to deal with validation and
> incoming bugs, specially when the behaviour changes for different
> gens.

Ok, so perhaps we can try to enable this now on some hardware?
Say skylake+ and byt + cht + apollo-lake ?

Regards,

Hans
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