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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] kvm: x86 CPU power management
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 00:53:40 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180615225604-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180615183224.GA6108@amt.cnet>

On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 03:32:27PM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 02:37:28AM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 07:34:53PM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 09:47:11PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > This adds ability to expose host CPU power management capabilities to
> > > > guests. For intel guests, this is sufficient for guest to enable
> > > > low power CPU power management. For AMD guests it isn't sufficient,
> > > > deeper C-states are entered using System-IO.
> > > > 
> > > > mwait based power management is tied closely to specifics of CPUID,
> > > > making migration challenging. At this point only the non-migrateable
> > > > -cpu host is supported.
> > > > 
> > > > With this patch applied, VM latency is within the noise of
> > > > baremetal for some benchmarks.
> > > > 
> > > > perf bench sched pipe results:
> > > > Before:
> > > >     6.452 sec
> > > > After:
> > > >     4.382 sec
> > > > Baremetal:
> > > >     4.136 sec
> > > > 
> > > > Michael S. Tsirkin (2):
> > > >   kvm: support -realtime cpu-pm=on|off
> > > >   i386/cpu: make -cpu host support monitor/mwait
> > > > 
> > > >  include/sysemu/sysemu.h |  1 +
> > > >  target/i386/cpu.h       |  9 +++++++++
> > > >  target/i386/cpu.c       | 19 ++++++++++++++-----
> > > >  target/i386/kvm.c       | 30 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >  vl.c                    |  6 ++++++
> > > >  qemu-options.hx         |  9 +++++++--
> > > >  6 files changed, 67 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > MST
> > > 
> > > Hi Michael,
> > > 
> > > 1) Command line option interface
> > > 
> > > Why is this not an optional cpu feature such as the other features? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -cpu CPU,+mwait  
> > > 
> > > rather than a separate, architecture independent "-realtime cpu-pm=on|off" 
> > > command line option?
> > 
> > Because it's not just a guest flag. With guest pm on, one guest
> > can severely affect the latency of others on the same host CPU.
> 
> How so ?

Look at drivers/idle/intel_idle.c
There are states with exit latencies of 
10000

> > > 2) Migration
> > > 
> > > Isnt it sufficient to check that both CPUID leafs are the same, 
> > > to allow migration ?
> > 
> > Not at the moment since linux guests use mwait hints and latency values
> > from a table in intel_idle.  If the host and guest models do not match,
> > mwait will get a wrong hint.
> > 
> > It will not do the right thing then!
> > 
> > You want exactly the same host CPU for it to work.
> > 
> > This isn't different from how -host cpu works generally.
> 
> Ok, makes sense.
> 
> > > 1. Check that the processor supports MONITOR and MWAIT. If
> > > CPUID.01H:ECX.MONITOR[bit 3] = 1, MONITOR and MWAIT are available at
> > > ring 0.
> > > 
> > > 2. Query the smallest and largest line size that MONITOR uses.
> > > Use CPUID.05H:EAX.smallest[bits 15:0];EBX.largest[bits15:0]. 
> > > 

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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 0/2] kvm: x86 CPU power management
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2018 00:53:40 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180615225604-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180615183224.GA6108@amt.cnet>

On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 03:32:27PM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 02:37:28AM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 07:34:53PM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 09:47:11PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > This adds ability to expose host CPU power management capabilities to
> > > > guests. For intel guests, this is sufficient for guest to enable
> > > > low power CPU power management. For AMD guests it isn't sufficient,
> > > > deeper C-states are entered using System-IO.
> > > > 
> > > > mwait based power management is tied closely to specifics of CPUID,
> > > > making migration challenging. At this point only the non-migrateable
> > > > -cpu host is supported.
> > > > 
> > > > With this patch applied, VM latency is within the noise of
> > > > baremetal for some benchmarks.
> > > > 
> > > > perf bench sched pipe results:
> > > > Before:
> > > >     6.452 sec
> > > > After:
> > > >     4.382 sec
> > > > Baremetal:
> > > >     4.136 sec
> > > > 
> > > > Michael S. Tsirkin (2):
> > > >   kvm: support -realtime cpu-pm=on|off
> > > >   i386/cpu: make -cpu host support monitor/mwait
> > > > 
> > > >  include/sysemu/sysemu.h |  1 +
> > > >  target/i386/cpu.h       |  9 +++++++++
> > > >  target/i386/cpu.c       | 19 ++++++++++++++-----
> > > >  target/i386/kvm.c       | 30 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >  vl.c                    |  6 ++++++
> > > >  qemu-options.hx         |  9 +++++++--
> > > >  6 files changed, 67 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > MST
> > > 
> > > Hi Michael,
> > > 
> > > 1) Command line option interface
> > > 
> > > Why is this not an optional cpu feature such as the other features? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -cpu CPU,+mwait  
> > > 
> > > rather than a separate, architecture independent "-realtime cpu-pm=on|off" 
> > > command line option?
> > 
> > Because it's not just a guest flag. With guest pm on, one guest
> > can severely affect the latency of others on the same host CPU.
> 
> How so ?

Look at drivers/idle/intel_idle.c
There are states with exit latencies of 
10000

> > > 2) Migration
> > > 
> > > Isnt it sufficient to check that both CPUID leafs are the same, 
> > > to allow migration ?
> > 
> > Not at the moment since linux guests use mwait hints and latency values
> > from a table in intel_idle.  If the host and guest models do not match,
> > mwait will get a wrong hint.
> > 
> > It will not do the right thing then!
> > 
> > You want exactly the same host CPU for it to work.
> > 
> > This isn't different from how -host cpu works generally.
> 
> Ok, makes sense.
> 
> > > 1. Check that the processor supports MONITOR and MWAIT. If
> > > CPUID.01H:ECX.MONITOR[bit 3] = 1, MONITOR and MWAIT are available at
> > > ring 0.
> > > 
> > > 2. Query the smallest and largest line size that MONITOR uses.
> > > Use CPUID.05H:EAX.smallest[bits 15:0];EBX.largest[bits15:0]. 
> > > 

  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-15 21:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-12 18:47 [PATCH v2 0/2] kvm: x86 CPU power management Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-12 18:47 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-12 18:47 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] kvm: support -realtime cpu-pm=on|off Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-12 18:47   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-13 20:35   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-13 20:35     ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-13 21:00   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-13 21:00     ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-13 21:53     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-13 21:53       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-12 18:47 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] i386/cpu: make -cpu host support monitor/mwait Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-12 18:47   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-13 21:24   ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-13 21:24     ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-12 19:18 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] kvm: x86 CPU power management no-reply
2018-06-12 19:18   ` [Qemu-devel] " no-reply
2018-06-12 20:29   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-12 20:29     ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-13 22:34 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2018-06-13 22:34   ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2018-06-13 23:37   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-13 23:37     ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-15 18:32     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2018-06-15 18:32       ` [Qemu-devel] " Marcelo Tosatti
2018-06-15 21:53       ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2018-06-15 21:53         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-14  8:18 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-14  8:18   ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-14 15:40   ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-14 15:40     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-14 15:44     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-14 15:44       ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2018-06-14 20:32       ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-14 20:32         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-15 14:15         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-15 14:15           ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-14 16:53     ` Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-14 16:53       ` [Qemu-devel] " Eduardo Habkost
2018-06-14 21:21       ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-14 21:21         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-15 13:52     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-15 13:52       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-22 13:06   ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2018-06-22 13:06     ` [Qemu-devel] " Kashyap Chamarthy
2018-06-22 19:18     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-22 19:18       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin

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