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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: lkp@lists.01.org
Subject: Re: [lkp-robot] [fs] 3deb642f0d: will-it-scale.per_process_ops -8.8% regression
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 13:53:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180622115300.GA14654@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180622110117.GU30522@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

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On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 12:01:17PM +0100, Al Viro wrote:
> For fuck sake, if you want vfs_poll() inlined, *make* *it* *inlined*.

That is not going to help with de-virtualizing _qproc, which was
the whole idea of that change.  At least not without a compiler
way smarter than gcc.

But if you want it inline that is fine with me, it just seems little
large for inlining.

None that I plan to actually remove all calls except for poll and select
for vfs_poll in a pending series, at which point it would become static
anyway.

> Said that, you are not attacking the worst part of it - it's a static
> branch, not the considerably more costly indirect ones.  Remember when
> I asked you about the price of those?  Method calls are costly.

And back then it did not show up even in poll heavy workloads.  But
since then something new happened - spectre mitigations, which make
indirect calls exorbitantly more expensive.

> Now, ->sk_wq is modified only in sock_init_data() and sock_graft();
> the latter, IIRC, is ->accept() helper.  Do we ever call either of
> those on a sock of already opened file?  IOW, is there any real
> reason for socket ->get_poll_head() not to be constant, other
> than wanting to keep POLL_BUSY_LOOP handling out of ->poll_mask()?
> I agree that POLL_BUSY_LOOP is ugly as hell, but you *still* have
> sock_poll_mask() not free from it...

I'd have to defer to networking folks if busy looping after pollwait
is what they want, but I suspect the answer is no, by the time
we are already waiting for the queue busy waiting seems pointless.

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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	kernel test robot <xiaolong.ye@intel.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKP <lkp@01.org>
Subject: Re: [lkp-robot] [fs] 3deb642f0d: will-it-scale.per_process_ops -8.8% regression
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 13:53:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180622115300.GA14654@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180622110117.GU30522@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 12:01:17PM +0100, Al Viro wrote:
> For fuck sake, if you want vfs_poll() inlined, *make* *it* *inlined*.

That is not going to help with de-virtualizing _qproc, which was
the whole idea of that change.  At least not without a compiler
way smarter than gcc.

But if you want it inline that is fine with me, it just seems little
large for inlining.

None that I plan to actually remove all calls except for poll and select
for vfs_poll in a pending series, at which point it would become static
anyway.

> Said that, you are not attacking the worst part of it - it's a static
> branch, not the considerably more costly indirect ones.  Remember when
> I asked you about the price of those?  Method calls are costly.

And back then it did not show up even in poll heavy workloads.  But
since then something new happened - spectre mitigations, which make
indirect calls exorbitantly more expensive.

> Now, ->sk_wq is modified only in sock_init_data() and sock_graft();
> the latter, IIRC, is ->accept() helper.  Do we ever call either of
> those on a sock of already opened file?  IOW, is there any real
> reason for socket ->get_poll_head() not to be constant, other
> than wanting to keep POLL_BUSY_LOOP handling out of ->poll_mask()?
> I agree that POLL_BUSY_LOOP is ugly as hell, but you *still* have
> sock_poll_mask() not free from it...

I'd have to defer to networking folks if busy looping after pollwait
is what they want, but I suspect the answer is no, by the time
we are already waiting for the queue busy waiting seems pointless.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-22 11:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-22  8:27 [lkp-robot] [fs] 3deb642f0d: will-it-scale.per_process_ops -8.8% regression kernel test robot
2018-06-22  8:27 ` kernel test robot
2018-06-22  9:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-06-22  9:25   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-06-22  9:56   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-22  9:56     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-22 10:00     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-22 10:00       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-22 11:01       ` Al Viro
2018-06-22 11:01         ` Al Viro
2018-06-22 11:53         ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2018-06-22 11:53           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-22 11:56           ` Al Viro
2018-06-22 11:56             ` Al Viro
2018-06-22 12:07             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-22 12:07               ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-22 12:17               ` Al Viro
2018-06-22 12:17                 ` Al Viro
2018-06-22 12:33                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-22 12:33                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-22 12:29                   ` Al Viro
2018-06-22 12:29                     ` Al Viro
2018-06-22 19:06         ` Sean Paul
2018-06-22 19:06           ` Sean Paul
2018-06-22 10:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-06-22 10:02       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-06-22 10:05       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-06-22 10:05         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-06-22 15:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-22 15:02   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-22 15:14   ` Al Viro
2018-06-22 15:14     ` Al Viro
2018-06-22 15:28     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-22 15:28       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-22 16:18       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-22 16:18         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-22 20:02         ` Al Viro
2018-06-22 20:02           ` Al Viro
2018-06-23  7:15           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-23  7:15             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-26  6:03   ` Ye Xiaolong
2018-06-26  6:03     ` Ye Xiaolong
2018-06-27  7:07     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-27  7:07       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-28  0:38       ` Ye Xiaolong
2018-06-28  0:38         ` Ye Xiaolong
2018-06-28 13:38         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-28 13:38           ` Christoph Hellwig

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