From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
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Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
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Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.18 3/5] rseq: uapi: declare rseq_cs field as union, update includes
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 16:06:45 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180707150645.GD17271@n2100.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzuxGtPE2NnL9+K4=OQ=-9oAXSqX-mP_QiHpzBz7zrq6A@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Jul 06, 2018 at 12:56:58PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 12:38 PM Mathieu Desnoyers
> <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com> wrote:
> >
> > Should I change all 4 bytes __get_user()/__put_user() in kernel/rseq.c
> > for get_user()/put_user() to ensure consistency ?
>
> Probably.
>
> *If* this actually turns out to be somethinig that shows up on
> profiles, it's almost certainly going to be the STAC/CLAC instructions
> ("perf report" tends to report them as three one-byte nop's because
> that's how they look before instruction replacement).
>
> And then it's not __get/put_user() that will improve things, but doing a
>
> user_access_begin();
>
> .. do unsafe_get/put_user() ..
>
> user_access_end();
>
> that will improve performance.
>
> But it is *very* seldom useful. We have it in a handful of places in
> the kernel, and the most noticeable one is
> lib/{strnlen,strncpy_from}_user.c
Also, __get_user() is probably going to become the same as get_user()
when I finish the Spectre v1 ARM mitigations, because there'll be no
point in __get_user() being any different. For those mitigations,
we're going to have to check the pointer against the address limit
inside __get_user() and NULL it out, just like get_user() does, which
makes the whole distinction between the two completely pointless.
Is this not also the case on other architectures affected by Spectre
variant 1, hmm?
--
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From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>, Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.18 3/5] rseq: uapi: declare rseq_cs field as union, update includes
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 16:06:45 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180707150645.GD17271@n2100.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzuxGtPE2NnL9+K4=OQ=-9oAXSqX-mP_QiHpzBz7zrq6A@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Jul 06, 2018 at 12:56:58PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 12:38 PM Mathieu Desnoyers
> <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com> wrote:
> >
> > Should I change all 4 bytes __get_user()/__put_user() in kernel/rseq.c
> > for get_user()/put_user() to ensure consistency ?
>
> Probably.
>
> *If* this actually turns out to be somethinig that shows up on
> profiles, it's almost certainly going to be the STAC/CLAC instructions
> ("perf report" tends to report them as three one-byte nop's because
> that's how they look before instruction replacement).
>
> And then it's not __get/put_user() that will improve things, but doing a
>
> user_access_begin();
>
> .. do unsafe_get/put_user() ..
>
> user_access_end();
>
> that will improve performance.
>
> But it is *very* seldom useful. We have it in a handful of places in
> the kernel, and the most noticeable one is
> lib/{strnlen,strncpy_from}_user.c
Also, __get_user() is probably going to become the same as get_user()
when I finish the Spectre v1 ARM mitigations, because there'll be no
point in __get_user() being any different. For those mitigations,
we're going to have to check the pointer against the address limit
inside __get_user() and NULL it out, just like get_user() does, which
makes the whole distinction between the two completely pointless.
Is this not also the case on other architectures affected by Spectre
variant 1, hmm?
--
RMK's Patch system: http://www.armlinux.org.uk/developer/patches/
FTTC broadband for 0.8mile line in suburbia: sync at 13.8Mbps down 630kbps up
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-07-07 15:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-07-05 18:05 [RFC PATCH for 4.18 0/5] Restartable Sequences updates Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-05 18:05 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-05 18:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.18 1/5] rseq: use __u64 for rseq_cs fields, validate user inputs Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-05 18:05 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-05 18:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.18 2/5] rseq: uapi: update uapi comments Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-05 18:05 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-05 18:05 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.18 3/5] rseq: uapi: declare rseq_cs field as union, update includes Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-05 18:05 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-06 16:02 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-06 16:02 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-06 19:23 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-06 19:23 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-06 19:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-06 19:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-06 19:35 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-06 19:35 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-06 19:38 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-06 19:38 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-06 19:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-06 19:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-07 15:06 ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
2018-07-07 15:06 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2018-07-06 19:56 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-06 19:56 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-05 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.18 4/5] rseq: remove unused types_32_64.h uapi header Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-05 18:06 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-05 18:06 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.18 5/5] rseq/selftests: cleanup: update comment above rseq_prepare_unload Mathieu Desnoyers
2018-07-05 18:06 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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