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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>, kernel-team <kernel-team@fb.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/7] x86,tlb: make lazy TLB mode lazier
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 10:30:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180720083016.GN2494@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrXLMsSBChDvrms-omwYV4LHT30GenDjbnD-+LTg55yPow@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 10:04:09AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> I added some more arch maintainers.  The idea here is that, on x86 at
> least, task->active_mm and all its refcounting is pure overhead.  When
> a process exits, __mmput() gets called, but the core kernel has a
> longstanding "optimization" in which other tasks (kernel threads and
> idle tasks) may have ->active_mm pointing at this mm.  This is nasty,
> complicated, and hurts performance on large systems, since it requires
> extra atomic operations whenever a CPU switches between real users
> threads and idle/kernel threads.
> 
> It's also almost completely worthless on x86 at least, since __mmput()
> frees pagetables, and that operation *already* forces a remote TLB
> flush, so we might as well zap all the active_mm references at the
> same time.

So I disagree that active_mm is complicated (the code is less than ideal
but that is actually fixable). And aside from the process exit case, it
does avoid CR3 writes when switching between user and kernel threads
(which can be far more often than exit if you have longer running
tasks).

Now agreed, recent x86 work has made that less important.

And I of course also agree that not doing those refcount atomics is
better.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-07-20  8:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-16 19:03 [PATCH v6 0/7] x86,tlb,mm: make lazy TLB mode even lazier Rik van Riel
2018-07-16 19:03 ` [PATCH 1/7] mm: allocate mm_cpumask dynamically based on nr_cpu_ids Rik van Riel
2018-07-17  9:33   ` [tip:x86/mm] mm: Allocate the mm_cpumask (mm->cpu_bitmap[]) " tip-bot for Rik van Riel
2018-08-04 22:28   ` [PATCH 1/7] mm: allocate mm_cpumask " Guenter Roeck
2018-07-16 19:03 ` [PATCH 2/7] x86,tlb: leave lazy TLB mode at page table free time Rik van Riel
2018-07-17  9:34   ` [tip:x86/mm] x86/mm/tlb: Leave " tip-bot for Rik van Riel
2018-07-17 11:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-25  1:00       ` Anders Roxell
2018-08-16  1:54   ` [PATCH 2/7] x86,tlb: leave " Andy Lutomirski
2018-08-16  5:31     ` Rik van Riel
2018-07-16 19:03 ` [PATCH 3/7] x86,mm: restructure switch_mm_irqs_off Rik van Riel
2018-07-17  9:34   ` [tip:x86/mm] x86/mm/tlb: Restructure switch_mm_irqs_off() tip-bot for Rik van Riel
2018-10-09 14:58   ` tip-bot for Rik van Riel
2018-07-16 19:03 ` [PATCH 4/7] x86,tlb: make lazy TLB mode lazier Rik van Riel
2018-07-17  9:35   ` [tip:x86/mm] x86/mm/tlb: Make " tip-bot for Rik van Riel
2018-07-17 11:33     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-18 15:33       ` Rik van Riel
2018-07-18 16:00         ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]           ` <081E558D-DB34-4A18-A35C-896BC47F6EBA@surriel.com>
2018-07-18 18:23             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-18 18:51               ` Rik van Riel
2018-07-19  9:13                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-17 20:04   ` [PATCH 4/7] x86,tlb: make " Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]     ` <FF977B78-140F-4787-AA57-0EA934017D85@surriel.com>
2018-07-17 21:29       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-17 22:05         ` Rik van Riel
2018-07-17 22:27           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-18 20:58     ` Rik van Riel
2018-07-18 23:13       ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]         ` <B976CC13-D014-433A-83DE-F8DF9AB4F421@surriel.com>
2018-07-19 16:45           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-19 17:04             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-19 17:04               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-20  4:57               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-07-20  8:30               ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-07-23 12:26                 ` Rik van Riel
2018-07-24 16:33               ` Will Deacon
     [not found]             ` <CF849A07-B7CE-4DE9-8246-53AC5A53A705@surriel.com>
2018-07-19 17:18               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-20  8:02             ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2018-07-20  9:49               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-20 10:18                 ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2018-07-20  9:32             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-20 11:04               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-16 19:03 ` [PATCH 5/7] x86,tlb: only send page table free TLB flush to lazy TLB CPUs Rik van Riel
2018-07-17  9:35   ` [tip:x86/mm] x86/mm/tlb: Only " tip-bot for Rik van Riel
2018-07-17 11:39     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]       ` <1F8BDD25-864D-4105-B872-2109AA417454@surriel.com>
     [not found]         ` <24AA4367-22A1-450E-8F6A-3CBF39518384@surriel.com>
2018-07-18 16:19           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-16 19:03 ` [PATCH 6/7] x86,mm: always use lazy TLB mode Rik van Riel
2018-07-17  9:36   ` [tip:x86/mm] x86/mm/tlb: Always " tip-bot for Rik van Riel
2018-10-09 14:58   ` tip-bot for Rik van Riel
2018-07-16 19:03 ` [PATCH 7/7] x86,switch_mm: skip atomic operations for init_mm Rik van Riel
2018-07-17  9:36   ` [tip:x86/mm] x86/mm/tlb: Skip atomic operations for 'init_mm' in switch_mm_irqs_off() tip-bot for Rik van Riel
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-07-10 14:28 [PATCH v5 0/7] x86,tlb,mm: make lazy TLB mode even lazier Rik van Riel
2018-07-10 14:28 ` [PATCH 4/7] x86,tlb: make lazy TLB mode lazier Rik van Riel
2018-07-06 21:56 [PATCH v4 0/7] x86,tlb,mm: make lazy TLB mode even lazier Rik van Riel
2018-07-06 21:56 ` [PATCH 4/7] x86,tlb: make lazy TLB mode lazier Rik van Riel
2018-06-29 14:29 [PATCH v3 0/7] x86,tlb,mm: make lazy TLB mode even lazier Rik van Riel
2018-06-29 14:29 ` [PATCH 4/7] x86,tlb: make lazy TLB mode lazier Rik van Riel
2018-06-29 17:05   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-29 17:29     ` Rik van Riel
2018-06-20 19:56 [PATCH 0/7] x86,tlb,mm: make lazy TLB mode even lazier Rik van Riel
2018-06-20 19:56 ` [PATCH 4/7] x86,tlb: make lazy TLB mode lazier Rik van Riel
2018-06-22 15:04   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-22 15:15     ` Rik van Riel
2018-06-22 15:34       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-06-22 17:05   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-22 17:16     ` Rik van Riel

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