From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
david@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, peterx@redhat.com,
kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/4] balloon: Allow multiple inhibit users
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 03:07:22 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180808030316-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180807140826.653e8faa@t450s.home>
On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 02:08:26PM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 22:44:11 +0300
> "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 01:31:22PM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > > A simple true/false internal state does not allow multiple users. Fix
> > > this within the existing interface by converting to a counter, so long
> > > as the counter is elevated, ballooning is inhibited.
> > >
> > > Reviewed-by: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
> > > Reviewed-by: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
> > > Reviewed-by: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
> > > Signed-off-by: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
> > > ---
> > > balloon.c | 13 ++++++++++---
> > > 1 file changed, 10 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/balloon.c b/balloon.c
> > > index 6bf0a9681377..931987983858 100644
> > > --- a/balloon.c
> > > +++ b/balloon.c
> > > @@ -26,6 +26,7 @@
> > >
> > > #include "qemu/osdep.h"
> > > #include "qemu-common.h"
> > > +#include "qemu/atomic.h"
> > > #include "exec/cpu-common.h"
> > > #include "sysemu/kvm.h"
> > > #include "sysemu/balloon.h"
> > > @@ -37,16 +38,22 @@
> > > static QEMUBalloonEvent *balloon_event_fn;
> > > static QEMUBalloonStatus *balloon_stat_fn;
> > > static void *balloon_opaque;
> > > -static bool balloon_inhibited;
> > > +static int balloon_inhibit_count;
> > >
> > > bool qemu_balloon_is_inhibited(void)
> > > {
> > > - return balloon_inhibited;
> > > + return atomic_read(&balloon_inhibit_count) > 0;
> > > }
> > >
> > > void qemu_balloon_inhibit(bool state)
> > > {
> > > - balloon_inhibited = state;
> > > + if (state) {
> > > + atomic_inc(&balloon_inhibit_count);
> > > + } else {
> > > + atomic_dec(&balloon_inhibit_count);
> > > + }
> > > +
> > > + assert(atomic_read(&balloon_inhibit_count) >= 0);
> > > }
> > >
> > > static bool have_balloon(Error **errp)
> >
> > This blocks QEMU_MADV_WONTNEED but it also blocks QEMU_MADV_WILLNEED.
> > Is this necessarily a good idea?
>
> This is existing balloon inhibitor behavior, but do you have some
> reason to suspect WILLNEED is necessary? It's my impression that
> WILLNEED is a purely optional prefetch directive that's entirely
> unnecessary if the page wasn't previously zapped with WONTNEED. If the
> page was zapped, it will fault in on demand, potentially with higher
> latency, but functionally correct. With vfio usage of the inhibitor,
> we expect pinning to fault in any previously ballooned pages, so
> calling WILLNEED on pages where the inhibit count is elevated due to an
> assigned device seems unnecessary. Thanks,
>
> Alex
So inhibit interface isn't great - it was designed for a single
user: the post-copy. My point is generalizing it by reference counting does
not seem to make for a sensible interface.
I agree vfio itself pages in all guest memory but how will
other users of this interface handle it?
What would a sensible interface look like, and how it would account
for post-copy requirements, I'm not yet sure.
Ideas welcome.
--
MST
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, peterx@redhat.com,
Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, david@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 1/4] balloon: Allow multiple inhibit users
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 03:07:22 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180808030316-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180807140826.653e8faa@t450s.home>
On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 02:08:26PM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 22:44:11 +0300
> "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 01:31:22PM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:
> > > A simple true/false internal state does not allow multiple users. Fix
> > > this within the existing interface by converting to a counter, so long
> > > as the counter is elevated, ballooning is inhibited.
> > >
> > > Reviewed-by: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
> > > Reviewed-by: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
> > > Reviewed-by: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
> > > Signed-off-by: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
> > > ---
> > > balloon.c | 13 ++++++++++---
> > > 1 file changed, 10 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/balloon.c b/balloon.c
> > > index 6bf0a9681377..931987983858 100644
> > > --- a/balloon.c
> > > +++ b/balloon.c
> > > @@ -26,6 +26,7 @@
> > >
> > > #include "qemu/osdep.h"
> > > #include "qemu-common.h"
> > > +#include "qemu/atomic.h"
> > > #include "exec/cpu-common.h"
> > > #include "sysemu/kvm.h"
> > > #include "sysemu/balloon.h"
> > > @@ -37,16 +38,22 @@
> > > static QEMUBalloonEvent *balloon_event_fn;
> > > static QEMUBalloonStatus *balloon_stat_fn;
> > > static void *balloon_opaque;
> > > -static bool balloon_inhibited;
> > > +static int balloon_inhibit_count;
> > >
> > > bool qemu_balloon_is_inhibited(void)
> > > {
> > > - return balloon_inhibited;
> > > + return atomic_read(&balloon_inhibit_count) > 0;
> > > }
> > >
> > > void qemu_balloon_inhibit(bool state)
> > > {
> > > - balloon_inhibited = state;
> > > + if (state) {
> > > + atomic_inc(&balloon_inhibit_count);
> > > + } else {
> > > + atomic_dec(&balloon_inhibit_count);
> > > + }
> > > +
> > > + assert(atomic_read(&balloon_inhibit_count) >= 0);
> > > }
> > >
> > > static bool have_balloon(Error **errp)
> >
> > This blocks QEMU_MADV_WONTNEED but it also blocks QEMU_MADV_WILLNEED.
> > Is this necessarily a good idea?
>
> This is existing balloon inhibitor behavior, but do you have some
> reason to suspect WILLNEED is necessary? It's my impression that
> WILLNEED is a purely optional prefetch directive that's entirely
> unnecessary if the page wasn't previously zapped with WONTNEED. If the
> page was zapped, it will fault in on demand, potentially with higher
> latency, but functionally correct. With vfio usage of the inhibitor,
> we expect pinning to fault in any previously ballooned pages, so
> calling WILLNEED on pages where the inhibit count is elevated due to an
> assigned device seems unnecessary. Thanks,
>
> Alex
So inhibit interface isn't great - it was designed for a single
user: the post-copy. My point is generalizing it by reference counting does
not seem to make for a sensible interface.
I agree vfio itself pages in all guest memory but how will
other users of this interface handle it?
What would a sensible interface look like, and how it would account
for post-copy requirements, I'm not yet sure.
Ideas welcome.
--
MST
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-08-08 0:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-08-07 19:31 [PATCH v3 0/4] Balloon inhibit enhancements, vfio restriction Alex Williamson
2018-08-07 19:31 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-08-07 19:31 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] balloon: Allow multiple inhibit users Alex Williamson
2018-08-07 19:31 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-08-07 19:44 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-07 19:44 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-07 20:08 ` Alex Williamson
2018-08-07 20:08 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-08-08 0:07 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2018-08-08 0:07 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-07 19:31 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] kvm: Use inhibit to prevent ballooning without synchronous mmu Alex Williamson
2018-08-07 19:31 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-08-16 18:15 ` Alex Williamson
2018-08-16 18:15 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-08-17 7:46 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-08-17 7:46 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-08-07 19:31 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] vfio: Inhibit ballooning based on group attachment to a container Alex Williamson
2018-08-07 19:31 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-08-08 3:38 ` Peter Xu
2018-08-08 3:38 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Xu
2018-08-07 19:31 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] vfio/ccw/pci: Allow devices to opt-in for ballooning Alex Williamson
2018-08-07 19:31 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-08-07 19:44 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] Balloon inhibit enhancements, vfio restriction Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-07 19:44 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-07 19:53 ` Alex Williamson
2018-08-07 19:53 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-08-07 21:58 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-07 21:58 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-07 22:40 ` Alex Williamson
2018-08-07 22:40 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-08-08 0:02 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-08 0:02 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-08 3:45 ` Peter Xu
2018-08-08 3:45 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Xu
2018-08-08 22:23 ` Alex Williamson
2018-08-08 22:23 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2018-08-09 9:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-09 9:20 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-09 9:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-09 9:23 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-09 9:37 ` Peter Xu
2018-08-09 9:37 ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Xu
2018-08-09 10:13 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-08-09 10:13 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
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