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From: "Dmitry V. Levin" <ldv-u2l5PoMzF/Vg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Eugene Syromiatnikov
	<esyr-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	Jann Horn <jannh-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt-nx8X9YLhiw1AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	strace-devel-3+4lAyCyj6AWlMsSdNXQLw@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2] ptrace: add PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO request
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 07:10:03 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181125041003.GA3258@altlinux.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181123040139.GB2572-u2l5PoMzF/Vg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>


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On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 07:01:39AM +0300, Dmitry V. Levin wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 04:19:10PM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 11:15 AM Dmitry V. Levin wrote:
> > > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 06:55:29AM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 3:56 PM Dmitry V. Levin wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 02:56:57PM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > > > > > Please cc linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org for future versions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:58 AM Elvira Khabirova wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > struct ptrace_syscall_info {
> > > > > > >         __u8 op; /* 0 for entry, 1 for exit */
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you add proper defines, like:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > #define PTRACE_SYSCALL_ENTRY 0
> > > > > > #define PTRACE_SYSCALL_EXIT 1
> > > > > > #define PTRACE_SYSCALL_SECCOMP 2
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and make seccomp work from the start?  I'd rather we don't merge an
> > > > > > implementation that doesn't work for seccomp and then have to rework
> > > > > > it later.
> > > > >
> > > > > What's the difference between PTRACE_EVENT_SECCOMP and syscall-entry-stop
> > > > > with regards to PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO request?  At least they have the
> > > > > same entry_info to return.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure there's any material difference.
> > >
> > > In that case we don't really need PTRACE_SYSCALL_SECCOMP: op field
> > > describes the structure inside the union to use, not the ptrace stop.
> > 
> > Unless we think the structures might diverge in the future.
> 
> If these structures ever diverge, then a seccomp structure will be added
> to the union, and a portable userspace code will likely look this way:
> 
> #include <linux/ptrace.h>
> ...
> struct ptrace_syscall_info info;
> long rc = ptrace(PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO, pid, (void *) sizeof(info), &info);
> ...
> switch (info.op) {
> 	case PTRACE_SYSCALL_INFO_ENTRY:
> 		/* handle info.entry */
> 	case PTRACE_SYSCALL_INFO_EXIT:
> 		/* handle info.exit */
> #ifdef PTRACE_SYSCALL_INFO_SECCOMP
> 	case PTRACE_SYSCALL_INFO_SECCOMP:
> 		/* handle info.seccomp */
> #endif
> 	default:
> 		/* handle unknown info.op */
> }
> 
> In other words, it would be better if PTRACE_SYSCALL_INFO_* selector
> constants were introduced along with corresponding structures in the
> union.

However, the approach I suggested doesn't provide forward compatibility:
if userspace is compiled with kernel headers that don't define
PTRACE_SYSCALL_INFO_SECCOMP, it will break when the kernel
starts to use PTRACE_SYSCALL_INFO_SECCOMP instead of
PTRACE_SYSCALL_INFO_ENTRY for PTRACE_EVENT_SECCOMP support
in PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO.

The solution is to introduce PTRACE_SYSCALL_INFO_SECCOMP and struct
ptrace_syscall_info.seccomp along with PTRACE_EVENT_SECCOMP support
in PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO.  The initial revision of the seccomp
structure could be made the same as the entry structure, or it can
diverge from the beginning, e.g., by adding ret_data field containing
SECCOMP_RET_DATA return value stored in ptrace_message, this would save
ptracers an extra PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG call currently required to obtain it.


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From: "Dmitry V. Levin" <ldv@altlinux.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Elvira Khabirova <lineprinter@altlinux.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Eugene Syromiatnikov <esyr@redhat.com>,
	strace-devel@lists.strace.io
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2] ptrace: add PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO request
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2018 07:10:03 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181125041003.GA3258@altlinux.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181123040139.GB2572@altlinux.org>

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On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 07:01:39AM +0300, Dmitry V. Levin wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 04:19:10PM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 11:15 AM Dmitry V. Levin wrote:
> > > On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 06:55:29AM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 3:56 PM Dmitry V. Levin wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 02:56:57PM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > > > > > Please cc linux-api@vger.kernel.org for future versions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:58 AM Elvira Khabirova wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > struct ptrace_syscall_info {
> > > > > > >         __u8 op; /* 0 for entry, 1 for exit */
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you add proper defines, like:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > #define PTRACE_SYSCALL_ENTRY 0
> > > > > > #define PTRACE_SYSCALL_EXIT 1
> > > > > > #define PTRACE_SYSCALL_SECCOMP 2
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and make seccomp work from the start?  I'd rather we don't merge an
> > > > > > implementation that doesn't work for seccomp and then have to rework
> > > > > > it later.
> > > > >
> > > > > What's the difference between PTRACE_EVENT_SECCOMP and syscall-entry-stop
> > > > > with regards to PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO request?  At least they have the
> > > > > same entry_info to return.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure there's any material difference.
> > >
> > > In that case we don't really need PTRACE_SYSCALL_SECCOMP: op field
> > > describes the structure inside the union to use, not the ptrace stop.
> > 
> > Unless we think the structures might diverge in the future.
> 
> If these structures ever diverge, then a seccomp structure will be added
> to the union, and a portable userspace code will likely look this way:
> 
> #include <linux/ptrace.h>
> ...
> struct ptrace_syscall_info info;
> long rc = ptrace(PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO, pid, (void *) sizeof(info), &info);
> ...
> switch (info.op) {
> 	case PTRACE_SYSCALL_INFO_ENTRY:
> 		/* handle info.entry */
> 	case PTRACE_SYSCALL_INFO_EXIT:
> 		/* handle info.exit */
> #ifdef PTRACE_SYSCALL_INFO_SECCOMP
> 	case PTRACE_SYSCALL_INFO_SECCOMP:
> 		/* handle info.seccomp */
> #endif
> 	default:
> 		/* handle unknown info.op */
> }
> 
> In other words, it would be better if PTRACE_SYSCALL_INFO_* selector
> constants were introduced along with corresponding structures in the
> union.

However, the approach I suggested doesn't provide forward compatibility:
if userspace is compiled with kernel headers that don't define
PTRACE_SYSCALL_INFO_SECCOMP, it will break when the kernel
starts to use PTRACE_SYSCALL_INFO_SECCOMP instead of
PTRACE_SYSCALL_INFO_ENTRY for PTRACE_EVENT_SECCOMP support
in PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO.

The solution is to introduce PTRACE_SYSCALL_INFO_SECCOMP and struct
ptrace_syscall_info.seccomp along with PTRACE_EVENT_SECCOMP support
in PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO.  The initial revision of the seccomp
structure could be made the same as the entry structure, or it can
diverge from the beginning, e.g., by adding ret_data field containing
SECCOMP_RET_DATA return value stored in ptrace_message, this would save
ptracers an extra PTRACE_GETEVENTMSG call currently required to obtain it.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-11-25  4:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-21 15:58 [RFC PATCH v2] ptrace: add PTRACE_GET_SYSCALL_INFO request Elvira Khabirova
2018-11-21 22:56 ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]   ` <CALCETrV3TPCkYyhoLLcikXVeF-RdZUuLTCvKReK3Qb9LSS9Csw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-11-21 23:56     ` Dmitry V. Levin
2018-11-21 23:56       ` Dmitry V. Levin
2018-11-22 14:55       ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]         ` <CALCETrXea_uRAqw_srW5CWgOzeM=RubaDbjnxZ=cUMy5Zv1TsA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-11-22 19:15           ` Dmitry V. Levin
2018-11-22 19:15             ` Dmitry V. Levin
     [not found]             ` <20181122191504.GB27204-u2l5PoMzF/Vg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2018-11-23  0:19               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-11-23  0:19                 ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                 ` <CALCETrXvXzRzoEqwEY_VZ7Vpt-sLwaF+rZPg+y_eG2xyzubXtw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-11-23  4:01                   ` Dmitry V. Levin
2018-11-23  4:01                     ` Dmitry V. Levin
     [not found]                     ` <20181123040139.GB2572-u2l5PoMzF/Vg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2018-11-25  4:10                       ` Dmitry V. Levin [this message]
2018-11-25  4:10                         ` Dmitry V. Levin
2018-11-27 22:28                         ` Kees Cook

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