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From: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>
Cc: Devicetree List <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jassi Brar <jassisinghbrar@gmail.com>,
	mliljeberg@nvidia.com, Mikko Perttunen <mperttunen@nvidia.com>,
	talho@nvidia.com, linux-serial@vger.kernel.org, jslaby@suse.com,
	linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, ppessi@nvidia.com,
	Jon Hunter <jonathanh@nvidia.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 01/10] mailbox: Support blocking transfers in atomic context
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 16:39:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181207153901.GA29185@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181207113245.GA30719@ulmo>

On Fri, Dec 07, 2018 at 12:32:45PM +0100, Thierry Reding wrote:
> Greg,
> 
> any ideas on how we can move forward here? For reasons given elsewhere
> in this thread I understand that there is no way to make the console
> code run in non-atomic context. Have you ever run into a case where the
> console driver couldn't busy-loop? Were there any solutions to this?

I don't know of any such cases, hardware sucks at times, and we just
have to deal with getting it to work by doing stuff like this :(

> I've looked through quite a few drivers and they all end up with a busy
> loop, waiting for the transmission FIFO to become empty. There are also
> a few implementations for hypervisors that call back into some firmware
> in order to send the characters, but I expect those to do the busy
> looping in the firmware.

busy loops are ok here, as you point out.

> Perhaps the most prominent case that I came across and that is quite
> similar to this discussion is netconsole. There's a lot of code in the
> network layer that exists only to allow using a network device for
> outputting a console. I don't think the changes to the mailbox
> framework are anywhere near as complicated.

Neither do I, I have no objection to your changes at all.

thanks,

greg k-h

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From: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>
Cc: Devicetree List <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jassi Brar <jassisinghbrar@gmail.com>,
	mliljeberg@nvidia.com, Mikko Perttunen <mperttunen@nvidia.com>,
	talho@nvidia.com, linux-serial@vger.kernel.org, jslaby@suse.com,
	linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, ppessi@nvidia.com,
	Jon Hunter <jonathanh@nvidia.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 01/10] mailbox: Support blocking transfers in atomic context
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 16:39:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181207153901.GA29185@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181207113245.GA30719@ulmo>

On Fri, Dec 07, 2018 at 12:32:45PM +0100, Thierry Reding wrote:
> Greg,
> 
> any ideas on how we can move forward here? For reasons given elsewhere
> in this thread I understand that there is no way to make the console
> code run in non-atomic context. Have you ever run into a case where the
> console driver couldn't busy-loop? Were there any solutions to this?

I don't know of any such cases, hardware sucks at times, and we just
have to deal with getting it to work by doing stuff like this :(

> I've looked through quite a few drivers and they all end up with a busy
> loop, waiting for the transmission FIFO to become empty. There are also
> a few implementations for hypervisors that call back into some firmware
> in order to send the characters, but I expect those to do the busy
> looping in the firmware.

busy loops are ok here, as you point out.

> Perhaps the most prominent case that I came across and that is quite
> similar to this discussion is netconsole. There's a lot of code in the
> network layer that exists only to allow using a network device for
> outputting a console. I don't think the changes to the mailbox
> framework are anywhere near as complicated.

Neither do I, I have no objection to your changes at all.

thanks,

greg k-h

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-12-07 15:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-12 15:18 [PATCH v2 00/10] serial: Add Tegra Combined UART driver Thierry Reding
2018-11-12 15:18 ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-12 15:18 ` [PATCH v2 01/10] mailbox: Support blocking transfers in atomic context Thierry Reding
2018-11-12 15:18   ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-17 17:27   ` Jassi Brar
2018-11-17 17:27     ` Jassi Brar
2018-11-20 15:29     ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-20 15:29       ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-21 14:27       ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-21 14:27         ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-22  2:18         ` Jassi Brar
2018-11-22  2:18           ` Jassi Brar
2018-11-22  8:47           ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-22  8:47             ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-22 16:07             ` Jassi Brar
2018-11-22 16:07               ` Jassi Brar
2018-11-22 17:34               ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-22 17:34                 ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-23 11:17             ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-23 11:17               ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-23 11:56               ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-23 11:56                 ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-28  9:43   ` Jon Hunter
2018-11-28  9:43     ` Jon Hunter
2018-11-28 10:08     ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-28 10:08       ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-29  5:23     ` Jassi Brar
2018-11-29  5:23       ` Jassi Brar
2018-11-29 15:23       ` Thierry Reding
2018-12-07  5:56         ` Jassi Brar
2018-12-07  5:56           ` Jassi Brar
2018-12-07  6:19           ` Mikko Perttunen
2018-12-07  6:19             ` Mikko Perttunen
2018-12-08  5:51             ` Jassi Brar
2018-12-08  5:51               ` Jassi Brar
2018-12-08  8:50               ` Greg KH
2018-12-08  8:50                 ` Greg KH
2018-12-09  1:20                 ` Jassi Brar
2018-12-09  1:20                   ` Jassi Brar
2018-12-07 11:32           ` Thierry Reding
2018-12-07 15:39             ` Greg KH [this message]
2018-12-07 15:39               ` Greg KH
2018-12-08  6:09             ` Jassi Brar
2018-12-08  6:09               ` Jassi Brar
2018-12-10  9:52               ` Thierry Reding
2018-12-10 20:30                 ` Jassi Brar
2018-12-10 20:30                   ` Jassi Brar
2018-12-10 20:45                   ` Thierry Reding
2018-12-10 21:32                     ` Jassi Brar
2018-12-10 21:32                       ` Jassi Brar
2018-11-12 15:18 ` [PATCH v2 02/10] mailbox: Allow multiple controllers per device Thierry Reding
2018-11-12 15:18   ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-12 15:18 ` [PATCH v2 03/10] dt-bindings: tegra186-hsp: Add shared mailboxes Thierry Reding
2018-11-12 15:18   ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-12 15:18 ` [PATCH v2 04/10] mailbox: tegra-hsp: Add support for " Thierry Reding
2018-11-12 15:18   ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-13 11:09   ` Jon Hunter
2018-11-13 11:09     ` Jon Hunter
2018-11-13 13:09     ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-13 13:09       ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-13 19:24       ` Jon Hunter
2018-11-13 19:24         ` Jon Hunter
2018-11-12 15:18 ` [PATCH v2 05/10] mailbox: tegra-hsp: Add suspend/resume support Thierry Reding
2018-11-12 15:18   ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-13 11:17   ` Jon Hunter
2018-11-13 11:17     ` Jon Hunter
2018-12-10  9:58     ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-12 15:18 ` [PATCH v2 06/10] dt-bindings: serial: Add bindings for nvidia, tegra194-tcu Thierry Reding
2018-11-12 15:18   ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-13  9:39   ` [PATCH v2 06/10] dt-bindings: serial: Add bindings for nvidia,tegra194-tcu Jon Hunter
2018-11-13  9:39     ` Jon Hunter
2018-11-13 10:03     ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-13 10:03       ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-13 10:11       ` Jon Hunter
2018-11-13 10:11         ` Jon Hunter
2018-11-12 15:18 ` [PATCH v2 07/10] serial: Add Tegra Combined UART driver Thierry Reding
2018-11-12 15:18   ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-12 15:18 ` [PATCH v2 08/10] arm64: tegra: Add nodes for TCU on Tegra194 Thierry Reding
2018-11-12 15:18   ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-12 15:18 ` [PATCH v2 09/10] arm64: tegra: Mark TCU as primary serial port on Tegra194 P2888 Thierry Reding
2018-11-12 15:18   ` Thierry Reding
2018-11-12 15:18 ` [PATCH v2 10/10] arm64: defconfig: Enable Tegra TCU Thierry Reding
2018-11-12 15:18   ` Thierry Reding

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