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From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>
Cc: Huaisheng Ye <yehs2007@zoho.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	yehs1 <yehs1@lenovo.com>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	chengnt <chengnt@lenovo.com>, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	colyli <colyli@suse.de>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"dm-devel@redhat.com" <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Snapshot target and DAX-capable devices
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:15:47 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181212211547.GA24926@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181212175047.GA24962@redhat.com>

On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 12:50:47PM -0500, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 12 2018 at 11:12am -0500,
> Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote:
> 
> > Does it really make sense to enhance dm-snapshot?  I thought all serious
> > users of snapshots had moved on to dm-thinp?
> 
> There are cases where dm-snapshot is still useful for people.  But those
> are very niche users.  I'm not opposed to others proposing enhancements
> for dm-snapshot in general but it is definitely not a priority (Google's
> dm-bow is an example of a case where dm-snapshot may get extended to
> fulfill google's needs).

I would expect that dm-snapshot will be used quite a lot for
short-lived snapshots (that only live during a database backup or an
fsck run).  I would hardly call that a "niche use case".  One other
major advantage that dm-snapshot has is that you can take a snapshot
for any LVM volume.  For dm-thinp you have migrate your storage to a
thinp pool, and that adds a fair amount of friction to users migrating
to dm-thinp.

						- Ted

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From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Huaisheng Ye <yehs2007@zoho.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	"dm-devel@redhat.com" <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	chengnt <chengnt@lenovo.com>, yehs1 <yehs1@lenovo.com>,
	colyli <colyli@suse.de>
Subject: Re: Snapshot target and DAX-capable devices
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:15:47 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181212211547.GA24926@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181212175047.GA24962@redhat.com>

On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 12:50:47PM -0500, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 12 2018 at 11:12am -0500,
> Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote:
> 
> > Does it really make sense to enhance dm-snapshot?  I thought all serious
> > users of snapshots had moved on to dm-thinp?
> 
> There are cases where dm-snapshot is still useful for people.  But those
> are very niche users.  I'm not opposed to others proposing enhancements
> for dm-snapshot in general but it is definitely not a priority (Google's
> dm-bow is an example of a case where dm-snapshot may get extended to
> fulfill google's needs).

I would expect that dm-snapshot will be used quite a lot for
short-lived snapshots (that only live during a database backup or an
fsck run).  I would hardly call that a "niche use case".  One other
major advantage that dm-snapshot has is that you can take a snapshot
for any LVM volume.  For dm-thinp you have migrate your storage to a
thinp pool, and that adds a fair amount of friction to users migrating
to dm-thinp.

						- Ted

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-12-12 21:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-27 16:07 Snapshot target and DAX-capable devices Jan Kara
2018-08-27 16:07 ` Jan Kara
2018-08-27 16:07 ` Jan Kara
     [not found] ` <20180827160744.GE4002-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-27 16:43   ` Kani, Toshi
2018-08-27 16:43     ` Kani, Toshi
2018-08-27 16:43     ` Kani, Toshi
     [not found]     ` <e38303902267d2d8bae8b0c88da84a4ed668e9fb.camel-ZPxbGqLxI0U@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-28  7:50       ` Jan Kara
2018-08-28  7:50         ` Jan Kara
2018-08-28  7:50         ` Jan Kara
     [not found]         ` <20180828075025.GA17756-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-28 17:56           ` Mike Snitzer
2018-08-28 17:56             ` Mike Snitzer
2018-08-28 17:56             ` Mike Snitzer
     [not found]             ` <20180828175630.GA1197-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-28 22:38               ` Kani, Toshi
2018-08-28 22:38                 ` Kani, Toshi
2018-08-28 22:38                 ` Kani, Toshi
2018-08-30  9:30               ` Jan Kara
2018-08-30  9:30                 ` Jan Kara
2018-08-30  9:30                 ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                 ` <20180830093028.GC1767-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-30 18:49                   ` Mike Snitzer
2018-08-30 18:49                     ` Mike Snitzer
2018-08-30 18:49                     ` Mike Snitzer
     [not found]                     ` <20180830184907.GA14867-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-30 19:32                       ` Jeff Moyer
2018-08-30 19:32                         ` Jeff Moyer
2018-08-30 19:32                         ` Jeff Moyer
     [not found]                         ` <x494lfbabwi.fsf-RRHT56Q3PSP4kTEheFKJxxDDeQx5vsVwAInAS/Ez/D0@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-30 19:47                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-30 19:47                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-30 19:47                             ` Mikulas Patocka
     [not found]                             ` <alpine.LRH.2.02.1808301545200.30950-Hpncn10jQN4oNljnaZt3ZvA+iT7yCHsGwRM8/txMwJMAicBL8TP8PQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-30 19:53                               ` Jeff Moyer
2018-08-30 19:53                                 ` Jeff Moyer
2018-08-30 19:53                                 ` Jeff Moyer
2018-08-30 23:38                               ` Dave Chinner
2018-08-30 23:38                                 ` Dave Chinner
2018-08-30 23:38                                 ` Dave Chinner
2018-08-31  9:42                                 ` Jan Kara
2018-08-31  9:42                                   ` Jan Kara
2018-08-31  9:42                                   ` Jan Kara
2018-09-05  1:25                                   ` Dave Chinner
2018-09-05  1:25                                     ` Dave Chinner
2018-09-05  1:25                                     ` Dave Chinner
     [not found]                                   ` <20180831094255.GB11622-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2018-12-12 16:11                                     ` Huaisheng Ye
2018-12-12 16:11                                       ` Huaisheng Ye
2018-12-12 16:11                                       ` Huaisheng Ye
     [not found]                                       ` <167a3303a01.11a848ab768799.5161498967766415143-ytc+IHgoah0@public.gmane.org>
2018-12-12 16:12                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-12 16:12                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-12 16:12                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                                           ` <20181212161254.GA20790-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-12-12 17:50                                             ` Mike Snitzer
2018-12-12 17:50                                               ` Mike Snitzer
2018-12-12 17:50                                               ` Mike Snitzer
     [not found]                                               ` <20181212175047.GA24962-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-12-12 19:49                                                 ` Kani, Toshi
2018-12-12 19:49                                                   ` Kani, Toshi
2018-12-12 19:49                                                   ` Kani, Toshi
2018-12-12 21:15                                               ` Theodore Y. Ts'o [this message]
2018-12-12 21:15                                                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
     [not found]                                                 ` <20181212211547.GA24926-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2018-12-12 22:43                                                   ` Mike Snitzer
2018-12-12 22:43                                                     ` Mike Snitzer
2018-12-12 22:43                                                     ` Mike Snitzer
     [not found]                                                     ` <20181212224321.GA2902-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-12-14  4:11                                                       ` [dm-devel] " Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-12-14  4:11                                                         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-12-14  4:11                                                         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-12-14  8:24                                                       ` [External] " Huaisheng HS1 Ye
2018-12-14  8:24                                                         ` Huaisheng HS1 Ye
2018-12-14  8:24                                                         ` Huaisheng HS1 Ye
     [not found]                                                         ` <HK2PR03MB441871946735DE9EE714D10B92A10-LG58XzHXFHCi7fCZ8j4jr682SN/2zMuYvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2018-12-18 19:49                                                           ` Mike Snitzer
2018-12-18 19:49                                                             ` Mike Snitzer
2018-12-18 19:49                                                             ` Mike Snitzer
2018-08-30 19:44                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-30 19:44                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2018-08-30 19:44                         ` Mikulas Patocka
     [not found]                         ` <alpine.LRH.2.02.1808301537420.30950-Hpncn10jQN4oNljnaZt3ZvA+iT7yCHsGwRM8/txMwJMAicBL8TP8PQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-31 10:01                           ` Jan Kara
2018-08-31 10:01                             ` Jan Kara
2018-08-31 10:01                             ` Jan Kara
2018-08-30 22:55                       ` Dave Chinner
2018-08-30 22:55                         ` Dave Chinner
2018-08-30 22:55                         ` Dave Chinner
2018-08-31  9:54                       ` Jan Kara
2018-08-31  9:54                         ` Jan Kara
2018-08-31  9:54                         ` Jan Kara
2018-08-30 19:17                   ` [dm-devel] " Jeff Moyer
2018-08-30 19:17                     ` Jeff Moyer
2018-08-30 19:17                     ` Jeff Moyer
     [not found]                     ` <x498t4naclf.fsf-RRHT56Q3PSP4kTEheFKJxxDDeQx5vsVwAInAS/Ez/D0@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-31  9:14                       ` Jan Kara
2018-08-31  9:14                         ` Jan Kara
2018-08-31  9:14                         ` Jan Kara

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