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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/5] kvm "virtio pmem" device
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 11:17:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190110101757.GC15790@quack2.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190110012617.GA4205@dastard>

On Thu 10-01-19 12:26:17, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 08:17:31PM +0530, Pankaj Gupta wrote:
> >  This patch series has implementation for "virtio pmem". 
> >  "virtio pmem" is fake persistent memory(nvdimm) in guest 
> >  which allows to bypass the guest page cache. This also
> >  implements a VIRTIO based asynchronous flush mechanism.  
> 
> Hmmmm. Sharing the host page cache direct into the guest VM. Sounds
> like a good idea, but.....
> 
> This means the guest VM can now run timing attacks to observe host
> side page cache residency, and depending on the implementation I'm
> guessing that the guest will be able to control host side page
> cache eviction, too (e.g. via discard or hole punch operations).
> 
> Which means this functionality looks to me like a new vector for
> information leakage into and out of the guest VM via guest
> controlled host page cache manipulation.
> 
> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1901.01161
> 
> I might be wrong, but if I'm not we're going to have to be very
> careful about how guest VMs can access and manipulate host side
> resources like the page cache.....

Right. Thinking about this I would be more concerned about the fact that
guest can effectively pin amount of host's page cache upto size of the
device/file passed to guest as PMEM, can't it Pankaj? Or is there some QEMU
magic that avoids this?

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
SUSE Labs, CR

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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Pankaj Gupta <pagupta@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/5] kvm "virtio pmem" device
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 11:17:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190110101757.GC15790@quack2.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190110012617.GA4205@dastard>

On Thu 10-01-19 12:26:17, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 08:17:31PM +0530, Pankaj Gupta wrote:
> >  This patch series has implementation for "virtio pmem". 
> >  "virtio pmem" is fake persistent memory(nvdimm) in guest 
> >  which allows to bypass the guest page cache. This also
> >  implements a VIRTIO based asynchronous flush mechanism.  
> 
> Hmmmm. Sharing the host page cache direct into the guest VM. Sounds
> like a good idea, but.....
> 
> This means the guest VM can now run timing attacks to observe host
> side page cache residency, and depending on the implementation I'm
> guessing that the guest will be able to control host side page
> cache eviction, too (e.g. via discard or hole punch operations).
> 
> Which means this functionality looks to me like a new vector for
> information leakage into and out of the guest VM via guest
> controlled host page cache manipulation.
> 
> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1901.01161
> 
> I might be wrong, but if I'm not we're going to have to be very
> careful about how guest VMs can access and manipulate host side
> resources like the page cache.....

Right. Thinking about this I would be more concerned about the fact that
guest can effectively pin amount of host's page cache upto size of the
device/file passed to guest as PMEM, can't it Pankaj? Or is there some QEMU
magic that avoids this?

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
SUSE Labs, CR

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-01-10 10:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-09 14:47 [PATCH v3 0/5] kvm "virtio pmem" device Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-09 14:47 ` [PATCH v3 1/5] libnvdimm: nd_region flush callback support Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-09 14:47 ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-09 14:47 ` [PATCH v3 2/5] virtio-pmem: Add virtio pmem driver Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-09 14:47   ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-14 15:54   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-01-14 15:54   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]     ` <20190114105314-mutt-send-email-mst-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2019-01-15  6:33       ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-15  6:33         ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-15  6:33     ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-09 14:47 ` [PATCH v3 3/5] libnvdimm: add nd_region buffered dax_dev flag Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-09 14:47 ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-09 14:47 ` [PATCH v3 4/5] ext4: disable map_sync for virtio pmem Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-09 14:47 ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-09 14:47 ` [PATCH v3 5/5] xfs: " Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-09 14:47   ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-09 16:26   ` Darrick J. Wong
     [not found]   ` <20190109144736.17452-6-pagupta-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-01-09 16:26     ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-01-09 16:26       ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-01-09 18:08       ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-09 18:08       ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-09 18:08         ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-10  1:26 ` [PATCH v3 0/5] kvm "virtio pmem" device Dave Chinner
     [not found] ` <20190109144736.17452-1-pagupta-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-01-10  1:26   ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-10  1:26     ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-10  2:40     ` Rik van Riel
2019-01-10 10:17     ` Jan Kara [this message]
2019-01-10 10:17       ` Jan Kara
     [not found]       ` <20190110101757.GC15790-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2019-01-13  1:38         ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-13  1:38           ` Pankaj Gupta
     [not found]           ` <1354249849.63357171.1547343519970.JavaMail.zimbra-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-01-13  1:43             ` Dan Williams
2019-01-13  1:43               ` Dan Williams
2019-01-13  2:17               ` [Qemu-devel] " Pankaj Gupta
     [not found]               ` <CAPcyv4hwcgTUpgNCefCGu4DvgkYBp5b=f+hJ+FC=s5APYKoycg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-01-13  2:17                 ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-13  2:17                   ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-13  2:17                   ` Pankaj Gupta
     [not found]                   ` <540171952.63371441.1547345866585.JavaMail.zimbra-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-01-14  9:55                     ` Jan Kara
2019-01-14  9:55                       ` Jan Kara
2019-01-14  9:55                       ` Jan Kara
2019-01-14 10:16                       ` Pankaj Gupta
     [not found]                       ` <20190114095520.GC13316-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2019-01-14 10:16                         ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-14 10:16                           ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-14  9:55                   ` Jan Kara
2019-01-13  1:43           ` Dan Williams
2019-01-13  1:38       ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-10 10:17     ` Jan Kara
2019-01-11  7:45     ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-11  7:45     ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-11  7:45       ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-11  7:45       ` Pankaj Gupta
     [not found]       ` <1326478078.61913951.1547192704870.JavaMail.zimbra-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-01-13 23:29         ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-13 23:29           ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-13 23:38           ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-01-13 23:38           ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-01-13 23:38             ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-01-14  2:50             ` Dave Chinner
     [not found]             ` <20190113233820.GX6310-PfSpb0PWhxZc2C7mugBRk2EX/6BAtgUQ@public.gmane.org>
2019-01-14  2:50               ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-14  2:50                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-14  7:15               ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-14  7:15                 ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-14 21:25                 ` Dave Chinner
     [not found]                 ` <942065073.64011540.1547450140670.JavaMail.zimbra-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-01-14 21:25                   ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-14 21:25                     ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-14 21:35                     ` Dan Williams
2019-01-14 21:35                       ` Dan Williams
2019-01-14 21:35                       ` Dan Williams
2019-01-14 22:21                       ` Dave Chinner
     [not found]                       ` <CAPcyv4jtPcLV-s0sKNHwwk0ug7GLBV6699dpm1h3r2xSo879dg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-01-14 22:21                         ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-14 22:21                           ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-14 22:21                           ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-15  2:19                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-01-15  2:19                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-01-15  2:19                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-01-15  2:19                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-01-15  5:37                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Pankaj Gupta
     [not found]                             ` <20190114205031-mutt-send-email-mst-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2019-01-15  5:37                               ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-15  5:37                                 ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-15  5:37                                 ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-15  5:35                           ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-15  5:35                           ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-15  5:35                             ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-15  5:35                             ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-15 20:42                             ` Dave Chinner
     [not found]                             ` <1684638419.64320214.1547530506805.JavaMail.zimbra-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-01-15 20:42                               ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-15 20:42                                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-15 20:42                                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-14 21:35                     ` Dan Williams
2019-01-14  7:15             ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-13 23:29       ` Dave Chinner
2019-02-04 22:56 ` security implications of caching with virtio pmem (was Re: [PATCH v3 0/5] kvm "virtio pmem" device) Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-04 22:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-05  7:29   ` [Qemu-devel] " Pankaj Gupta
2019-02-05  7:29   ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-02-05  7:29     ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-02-06 14:00   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-06 18:01     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-06 18:01     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-06 14:00   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-11  7:29   ` [Qemu-devel] " Pankaj Gupta
2019-02-11  7:29     ` Pankaj Gupta
2019-02-11 22:29     ` Dave Chinner
     [not found]     ` <888328358.132676.1549870186945.JavaMail.zimbra-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-02-11 22:29       ` Dave Chinner
2019-02-11 22:29         ` Dave Chinner
2019-02-11 22:58         ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-11 22:58         ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-11 22:58           ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-11 22:58           ` David Hildenbrand
2019-02-11 23:07           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-11 23:07             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-11 23:07           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-02-11  7:29   ` Pankaj Gupta
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-01-09 14:47 [PATCH v3 0/5] kvm "virtio pmem" device Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-09 13:50 Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-09 13:50 Pankaj Gupta
2019-01-09 13:50 ` Pankaj Gupta

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