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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com>
Cc: peter.maydell@linaro.org, Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
	ehabkost@redhat.com, libvir-list@redhat.com,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-arm@nongnu.org, qemu-ppc@nongnu.org,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, david@gibson.dropbear.id.au
Subject: Re: [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-ppc] [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] [PATCH 1/2] numa: deprecate 'mem' parameter of '-numa node' option
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 13:59:09 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190304135909.GL4239@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190304145510.57c73177@redhat.com>

On Mon, Mar 04, 2019 at 02:55:10PM +0100, Igor Mammedov wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 09:11:19 +0100
> Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 01/03/2019 18.48, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > [...]
> > > So I think this patch has to be dropped & replaced with one that
> > > simply documents that memdev syntax is preferred.  
> > 
> > That's definitely not enough. I've had a couple of cases already where
> > we documented that certain options should not be used anymore, and
> > people simply ignored it (aka. if it ain't broken, don't do any change).
> > Then they just started to complain when I really tried to remove the
> > option after the deprecation period.
> 
> > So Igor, if you can not officially deprecate these things here yet, you
> > should at least make sure that they can not be used with new machine
> > types anymore. Then, after a couple of years, when we feel sure that
> > there are only some few or no people left who still use it with the old
> > machine types, we can start to discuss the deprecation process again, I
> > think.
> Is it acceptable to silently disable CLI options (even if they are broken
> like in this case) for new machine types?
> I was under impression that it should go through deprecation first.

Yes, it must go through deprecation. I was saying we can't disable
the CLI options at all, until there is a way for libvirt to correctly
use the new options.

Regards,
Daniel
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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com>
Cc: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
	peter.maydell@linaro.org, ehabkost@redhat.com,
	libvir-list@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	qemu-arm@nongnu.org, qemu-ppc@nongnu.org, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	david@gibson.dropbear.id.au
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] [libvirt] [PATCH 1/2] numa: deprecate 'mem' parameter of '-numa node' option
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 13:59:09 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190304135909.GL4239@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190304145510.57c73177@redhat.com>

On Mon, Mar 04, 2019 at 02:55:10PM +0100, Igor Mammedov wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 09:11:19 +0100
> Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 01/03/2019 18.48, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > [...]
> > > So I think this patch has to be dropped & replaced with one that
> > > simply documents that memdev syntax is preferred.  
> > 
> > That's definitely not enough. I've had a couple of cases already where
> > we documented that certain options should not be used anymore, and
> > people simply ignored it (aka. if it ain't broken, don't do any change).
> > Then they just started to complain when I really tried to remove the
> > option after the deprecation period.
> 
> > So Igor, if you can not officially deprecate these things here yet, you
> > should at least make sure that they can not be used with new machine
> > types anymore. Then, after a couple of years, when we feel sure that
> > there are only some few or no people left who still use it with the old
> > machine types, we can start to discuss the deprecation process again, I
> > think.
> Is it acceptable to silently disable CLI options (even if they are broken
> like in this case) for new machine types?
> I was under impression that it should go through deprecation first.

Yes, it must go through deprecation. I was saying we can't disable
the CLI options at all, until there is a way for libvirt to correctly
use the new options.

Regards,
Daniel
-- 
|: https://berrange.com      -o-    https://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange :|
|: https://libvirt.org         -o-            https://fstop138.berrange.com :|
|: https://entangle-photo.org    -o-    https://www.instagram.com/dberrange :|

  reply	other threads:[~2019-03-04 13:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-01 15:42 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/2] numa: deprecate -numa node, mem and default memory distribution Igor Mammedov
2019-03-01 15:42 ` Igor Mammedov
2019-03-01 15:42 ` [Qemu-arm] [PATCH 1/2] numa: deprecate 'mem' parameter of '-numa node' option Igor Mammedov
2019-03-01 15:42   ` [Qemu-devel] " Igor Mammedov
2019-03-01 15:49   ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-01 15:49     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-01 17:33     ` [Qemu-arm] " Igor Mammedov
2019-03-01 17:33       ` Igor Mammedov
2019-03-01 17:48       ` [Qemu-arm] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-01 17:48         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-04  7:13         ` [Qemu-arm] " Markus Armbruster
2019-03-04  7:13           ` Markus Armbruster
2019-03-04 10:19           ` [Qemu-arm] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-04 10:19             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-04 11:45             ` [Qemu-arm] " Markus Armbruster
2019-03-04 11:45               ` Markus Armbruster
2019-03-04 15:28               ` [Qemu-arm] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-04 15:28                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-04 15:46                 ` [Qemu-arm] " Igor Mammedov
2019-03-04 15:46                   ` Igor Mammedov
2019-03-10 10:14                 ` [Qemu-arm] " Markus Armbruster
2019-03-10 10:14                   ` Markus Armbruster
2019-03-19 14:17                   ` [Qemu-arm] " Igor Mammedov
2019-03-04 14:24             ` Michal Privoznik
2019-03-04 14:24               ` Michal Privoznik
2019-03-04 15:03               ` [Qemu-arm] [libvirt] [Qemu-devel] " Igor Mammedov
2019-03-04 15:03                 ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Igor Mammedov
2019-03-04 12:25           ` [Qemu-arm] " Igor Mammedov
2019-03-04 12:25             ` Igor Mammedov
2019-03-04 12:39             ` [Qemu-arm] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-04 12:39               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-04 14:16               ` [Qemu-arm] " Igor Mammedov
2019-03-04 14:16                 ` Igor Mammedov
2019-03-04 14:24                 ` [Qemu-arm] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-04 14:24                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-04 15:19                   ` [Qemu-arm] " Igor Mammedov
2019-03-04 15:19                     ` Igor Mammedov
2019-03-04 16:12                     ` [Qemu-arm] " Michal Privoznik
2019-03-04 16:12                       ` Michal Privoznik
2019-03-04 16:27                       ` [Qemu-arm] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-04 16:27                         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-04 16:20                   ` Michal Privoznik
2019-03-04 16:20                     ` Michal Privoznik
2019-03-04 16:31                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-03-04 16:31                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-03-04 16:35                     ` [Qemu-arm] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-04 16:35                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-06 19:03                       ` [Qemu-arm] " Igor Mammedov
2019-03-06 19:03                         ` Igor Mammedov
2019-03-07  9:59                         ` [Qemu-arm] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-07  9:59                           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-10 10:16                           ` [Qemu-arm] " Markus Armbruster
2019-03-10 10:16                             ` Markus Armbruster
2019-03-14 14:52                             ` Igor Mammedov
2019-03-06 19:56                     ` [Qemu-arm] " Igor Mammedov
2019-03-06 19:56                       ` Igor Mammedov
2019-03-04 14:34                 ` Michal Privoznik
2019-03-04 14:34                   ` Michal Privoznik
2019-03-04  8:11         ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-ppc] " Thomas Huth
2019-03-04  8:11           ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] " Thomas Huth
2019-03-04 13:55           ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-ppc] [Qemu-devel] " Igor Mammedov
2019-03-04 13:55             ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] " Igor Mammedov
2019-03-04 13:59             ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2019-03-04 13:59               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-04 14:54               ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-ppc] [Qemu-devel] " Igor Mammedov
2019-03-04 14:54                 ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] " Igor Mammedov
2019-03-04 15:02                 ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-ppc] [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-04 15:02                   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] " Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-03-04 16:45                   ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-ppc] [Qemu-devel] " Igor Mammedov
2019-03-04 16:45                     ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] " Igor Mammedov
2019-03-01 18:01       ` [Qemu-arm] [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-03-01 18:01         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-03-04 13:52         ` [Qemu-arm] " Igor Mammedov
2019-03-04 13:52           ` Igor Mammedov
2019-03-18 16:44           ` [Qemu-arm] " Igor Mammedov
2019-03-01 15:42 ` [Qemu-arm] [PATCH 2/2] numa: deprecate implict memory distribution between nodes Igor Mammedov
2019-03-01 15:42   ` [Qemu-devel] " Igor Mammedov

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