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From: Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>
To: Paul Gortmaker <paul.gortmaker@windriver.com>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Alessandro Rubini <rubini@gnudd.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Charles Keepax <ckeepax@opensource.cirrus.com>,
	Cory Maccarrone <darkstar6262@gmail.com>,
	Davide Ciminaghi <ciminaghi@gnudd.com>,
	Dong Aisheng <dong.aisheng@linaro.org>,
	Graeme Gregory <gg@slimlogic.co.uk>,
	Guennadi Liakhovetski <g.liakhovetski@gmx.de>,
	Haojian Zhuang <haojian.zhuang@marvell.com>,
	Jin Park <jinyoungp@nvidia.com>,
	Jorge Eduardo Candelaria <jedu@slimlogic.co.uk>,
	Laxman Dewangan <ldewangan@nvidia.com>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Mattias Nilsson <mattias.i.nilsson@stericsson.com>,
	Michael Hennerich <michael.hennerich@analog.com>,
	Tony Lindgren <to>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/18] mfd: demodularization of non-modular drivers
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 08:25:24 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190307082524.GB4634@dell> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190307041808.GK26690@windriver.com>

On Wed, 06 Mar 2019, Paul Gortmaker wrote:

> [Re: [PATCH v5 00/18] mfd: demodularization of non-modular drivers] On 07/03/2019 (Thu 00:10) Pavel Machek wrote:
> 
> > On Wed 2019-01-16 13:24:31, Lee Jones wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > 
> > > > Paul Gortmaker (18):
> > > >   mfd: aat2870-core: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: adp5520: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: as3711: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: db8500-prcmu: drop unused MODULE_ tags from non-modular code
> > > >   mfd: htc-i2cpld: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: max8925-core: drop unused MODULE_ tags from non-modular code
> > > >   mfd: rc5t583: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: sta2x11: drop unused MODULE_ tags from non-modular code
> > > >   mfd: syscon: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: tps65090: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: tps65910: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: tps80031: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: wm831x-spi: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: wm831x-i2c: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: wm831x-core: drop unused module infrastructure from non-modular code
> > > >   mfd: wm8350-i2c: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: wm8350-core: drop unused module infrastructure from non-modular code
> > > >   mfd: wm8400-core: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > > 
> > > >  drivers/mfd/aat2870-core.c      | 40 +++-------------------------------------
> > > >  drivers/mfd/adp5520.c           | 30 +++++++-----------------------
> > > >  drivers/mfd/as3711.c            | 14 --------------
> > > >  drivers/mfd/db8500-prcmu.c      | 10 ++++------
> > > >  drivers/mfd/htc-i2cpld.c        | 18 +-----------------
> > > >  20 files changed, 41 insertions(+), 332 deletions(-)
> > > 
> > > All applied!
> > 
> > Is it good idea?
> 
> Pavel, I think yes it is good, and I hope you will allow me the chance
> to convince you of the same.  It removes dead code, and removes the
> chance that people mistakenly believe any of these drivers were
> currently possible as modules, when they were really NOT at all modular.
> 
> > We want distro kernels on ARM, too, which means people will eventually
> > want these as a modules, no?
> 
> And at the risk of repeating something I've said a lot already, this
> is fine, and I 100% support people converting drivers to being modular,
> in the case where there is demand, and where people with the hardware
> who are willing to test that the modular use-case actually works.
> 
> If people want it to be modular, then this work actually helps.  You
> don't have drivers "hiding in the shadows" that pretend to be modules.
> Such drivers do not at all help with the "distro kernels" use case.
> 
> If a driver author responds and says they intended to make their driver
> a module, I 100% support them, and will drop the code removal patch and
> also have supported them in making their work tristate.  If the choice
> to convert to tristate happens a year or more from now, it is trivial to
> reclaim the unused-but-deleted code from git.
> 
> But, again as I have said many times -- I can't know every detail of
> each driver to know if module/tristate makes any sense, as a use-case or
> if even technically possible (such as in DMA/IOMMU or similar low level
> core systems).   So the right option is to remove the dead code and not
> impact the existing driver behaviour, and make it clear in the process
> to the authors and users, that the driver was never modular to begin
> with --  and in doing so, give them all a chance to comment and react.
> 
> Pavel, I hope this more extended explanation makes sense to you, and
> that you simply have not seen me write these same details in the past.

Blimey.  That's a really long winded way of saying:

  "Modular-ness is actually broken in these drivers; [Paul]'s patches
   make that point clear for all to see.  If people (authors/distros)
   wish them to be modular, they need to fix them properly."

-- 
Lee Jones [李琼斯]
Linaro Services Technical Lead
Linaro.org │ Open source software for ARM SoCs
Follow Linaro: Facebook | Twitter | Blog

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From: Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>
To: Paul Gortmaker <paul.gortmaker@windriver.com>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Alessandro Rubini <rubini@gnudd.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Charles Keepax <ckeepax@opensource.cirrus.com>,
	Cory Maccarrone <darkstar6262@gmail.com>,
	Davide Ciminaghi <ciminaghi@gnudd.com>,
	Dong Aisheng <dong.aisheng@linaro.org>,
	Graeme Gregory <gg@slimlogic.co.uk>,
	Guennadi Liakhovetski <g.liakhovetski@gmx.de>,
	Haojian Zhuang <haojian.zhuang@marvell.com>,
	Jin Park <jinyoungp@nvidia.com>,
	Jorge Eduardo Candelaria <jedu@slimlogic.co.uk>,
	Laxman Dewangan <ldewangan@nvidia.com>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Mattias Nilsson <mattias.i.nilsson@stericsson.com>,
	Michael Hennerich <michael.hennerich@analog.com>,
	Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>,
	Venu Byravarasu <vbyravarasu@nvidia.com>,
	linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, patches@opensource.cirrus.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/18] mfd: demodularization of non-modular drivers
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 08:25:24 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190307082524.GB4634@dell> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190307041808.GK26690@windriver.com>

On Wed, 06 Mar 2019, Paul Gortmaker wrote:

> [Re: [PATCH v5 00/18] mfd: demodularization of non-modular drivers] On 07/03/2019 (Thu 00:10) Pavel Machek wrote:
> 
> > On Wed 2019-01-16 13:24:31, Lee Jones wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > 
> > > > Paul Gortmaker (18):
> > > >   mfd: aat2870-core: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: adp5520: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: as3711: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: db8500-prcmu: drop unused MODULE_ tags from non-modular code
> > > >   mfd: htc-i2cpld: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: max8925-core: drop unused MODULE_ tags from non-modular code
> > > >   mfd: rc5t583: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: sta2x11: drop unused MODULE_ tags from non-modular code
> > > >   mfd: syscon: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: tps65090: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: tps65910: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: tps80031: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: wm831x-spi: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: wm831x-i2c: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: wm831x-core: drop unused module infrastructure from non-modular code
> > > >   mfd: wm8350-i2c: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > >   mfd: wm8350-core: drop unused module infrastructure from non-modular code
> > > >   mfd: wm8400-core: Make it explicitly non-modular
> > > > 
> > > >  drivers/mfd/aat2870-core.c      | 40 +++-------------------------------------
> > > >  drivers/mfd/adp5520.c           | 30 +++++++-----------------------
> > > >  drivers/mfd/as3711.c            | 14 --------------
> > > >  drivers/mfd/db8500-prcmu.c      | 10 ++++------
> > > >  drivers/mfd/htc-i2cpld.c        | 18 +-----------------
> > > >  20 files changed, 41 insertions(+), 332 deletions(-)
> > > 
> > > All applied!
> > 
> > Is it good idea?
> 
> Pavel, I think yes it is good, and I hope you will allow me the chance
> to convince you of the same.  It removes dead code, and removes the
> chance that people mistakenly believe any of these drivers were
> currently possible as modules, when they were really NOT at all modular.
> 
> > We want distro kernels on ARM, too, which means people will eventually
> > want these as a modules, no?
> 
> And at the risk of repeating something I've said a lot already, this
> is fine, and I 100% support people converting drivers to being modular,
> in the case where there is demand, and where people with the hardware
> who are willing to test that the modular use-case actually works.
> 
> If people want it to be modular, then this work actually helps.  You
> don't have drivers "hiding in the shadows" that pretend to be modules.
> Such drivers do not at all help with the "distro kernels" use case.
> 
> If a driver author responds and says they intended to make their driver
> a module, I 100% support them, and will drop the code removal patch and
> also have supported them in making their work tristate.  If the choice
> to convert to tristate happens a year or more from now, it is trivial to
> reclaim the unused-but-deleted code from git.
> 
> But, again as I have said many times -- I can't know every detail of
> each driver to know if module/tristate makes any sense, as a use-case or
> if even technically possible (such as in DMA/IOMMU or similar low level
> core systems).   So the right option is to remove the dead code and not
> impact the existing driver behaviour, and make it clear in the process
> to the authors and users, that the driver was never modular to begin
> with --  and in doing so, give them all a chance to comment and react.
> 
> Pavel, I hope this more extended explanation makes sense to you, and
> that you simply have not seen me write these same details in the past.

Blimey.  That's a really long winded way of saying:

  "Modular-ness is actually broken in these drivers; [Paul]'s patches
   make that point clear for all to see.  If people (authors/distros)
   wish them to be modular, they need to fix them properly."

-- 
Lee Jones [李琼斯]
Linaro Services Technical Lead
Linaro.org │ Open source software for ARM SoCs
Follow Linaro: Facebook | Twitter | Blog

  reply	other threads:[~2019-03-07  8:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-13 18:36 [PATCH v5 00/18] mfd: demodularization of non-modular drivers Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-13 18:36 ` Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-13 18:36 ` [PATCH 01/18] mfd: aat2870-core: Make it explicitly non-modular Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-13 18:36 ` [PATCH 02/18] mfd: adp5520: " Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-13 18:36 ` [PATCH 03/18] mfd: as3711: " Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-13 18:36 ` [PATCH 04/18] mfd: db8500-prcmu: drop unused MODULE_ tags from non-modular code Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-13 18:36 ` [PATCH 05/18] mfd: htc-i2cpld: Make it explicitly non-modular Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-13 18:36 ` [PATCH 06/18] mfd: max8925-core: drop unused MODULE_ tags from non-modular code Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-13 18:36 ` [PATCH 07/18] mfd: rc5t583: Make it explicitly non-modular Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-13 18:36 ` [PATCH 08/18] mfd: sta2x11: drop unused MODULE_ tags from non-modular code Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-13 18:36 ` [PATCH 09/18] mfd: syscon: Make it explicitly non-modular Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-13 18:36 ` [PATCH 10/18] mfd: tps65090: " Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-13 18:36 ` [PATCH 11/18] mfd: tps65910: " Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-13 18:36   ` Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-13 18:36 ` [PATCH 12/18] mfd: tps80031: " Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-13 18:36 ` [PATCH 13/18] mfd: wm831x-spi: " Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-14 11:28   ` Charles Keepax
2019-01-13 18:36 ` [PATCH 14/18] mfd: wm831x-i2c: " Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-13 18:36 ` [PATCH 15/18] mfd: wm831x-core: drop unused module infrastructure from non-modular code Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-13 18:36 ` [PATCH 16/18] mfd: wm8350-i2c: Make it explicitly non-modular Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-13 18:36 ` [PATCH 17/18] mfd: wm8350-core: drop unused module infrastructure from non-modular code Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-13 18:36 ` [PATCH 18/18] mfd: wm8400-core: Make it explicitly non-modular Paul Gortmaker
2019-01-16 13:24 ` [PATCH v5 00/18] mfd: demodularization of non-modular drivers Lee Jones
2019-01-16 13:24   ` Lee Jones
2019-03-06 23:10   ` Pavel Machek
2019-03-06 23:10     ` Pavel Machek
2019-03-07  4:18     ` Paul Gortmaker
2019-03-07  4:18       ` Paul Gortmaker
2019-03-07  8:25       ` Lee Jones [this message]
2019-03-07  8:25         ` Lee Jones
2019-03-07  8:35         ` Pavel Machek
2019-03-07  8:35           ` Pavel Machek
2019-03-07 16:11           ` Tony Lindgren
2019-03-07 16:11             ` Tony Lindgren

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