* X.Org GSoC 2019 - Student Application Period @ 2019-03-26 14:32 Trevor Woerner 2019-03-26 14:40 ` [Piglit] " Ilia Mirkin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Trevor Woerner @ 2019-03-26 14:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: twoerner-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w Cc: piglit-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW, nouveau-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW, xorg-devel-go0+a7rfsptAfugRpC6u6w, etnaviv-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW, dri-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW, wayland-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW, mesa-dev-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW, freedreno-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW I'm happy to announce that the X.Org Foundation has been chosen to participate in this year's GSoC program! Students have from now until April 9th to submit their proposals. Students will be looking at https://www.x.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas/ and https://www.x.org/wiki/ToDo/ for ideas. Please take a moment to review those lists to see: - are these valid ideas? - should items be removed? - are there items that can be added? Also, please consider signing up to mentor. All the student enthusiasm in the world can't be put to any use if there are no mentors. A mentor only needs to provide technical direction and grading, all other aspects of the program will be handled by myself. If you have any updates to the ideas pages or are interested in mentoring, please get in touch! Students: Application requirements: * Applicants meet Google's requirements for participation in Summer of Code. * Applicants are in regular and close contact with their X.Org mentors and the community (IRC, email) * Applicants know their target programming language. * Applicants must successfully upstream a simple patch to demonstrate they know the process. * Applicants are willing to blog weekly and interact with the community (failure to do so will result in a fail at the next review) Check out https://www.x.org/wiki/GSoCApplication/ for information about how to apply. _______________________________________________ Piglit mailing list Piglit@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/piglit ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [Piglit] X.Org GSoC 2019 - Student Application Period 2019-03-26 14:32 X.Org GSoC 2019 - Student Application Period Trevor Woerner @ 2019-03-26 14:40 ` Ilia Mirkin [not found] ` <CAKb7Uvh7QAJhJb4JU5J=KdWqv=9EdFS6bXFy4iThnW6ioqK1mA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Ilia Mirkin @ 2019-03-26 14:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: nouveau [-everyone except nouveau] Just looked over the projects... they all seem valid, but are there people who could realistically mentor a GSoC student for these? IMHO unless mentors can be identified, these should all be archived. Cheers, -ilia On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 10:32 AM Trevor Woerner <twoerner@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm happy to announce that the X.Org Foundation has been chosen to > participate in this year's GSoC program! > > Students have from now until April 9th to submit their proposals. > > Students will be looking at https://www.x.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas/ and > https://www.x.org/wiki/ToDo/ for ideas. Please take a moment to review those > lists to see: > > - are these valid ideas? > - should items be removed? > - are there items that can be added? > > Also, please consider signing up to mentor. All the student enthusiasm in the > world can't be put to any use if there are no mentors. A mentor only needs to > provide technical direction and grading, all other aspects of the program will > be handled by myself. > > If you have any updates to the ideas pages or are interested in mentoring, > please get in touch! > > Students: > > Application requirements: > * Applicants meet Google's requirements for participation in Summer of Code. > * Applicants are in regular and close contact with their X.Org mentors and the community (IRC, email) > * Applicants know their target programming language. > * Applicants must successfully upstream a simple patch to demonstrate they know the process. > * Applicants are willing to blog weekly and interact with the community (failure to do so will result in a fail at the next review) > > Check out https://www.x.org/wiki/GSoCApplication/ for information about how to apply. > _______________________________________________ > Piglit mailing list > Piglit@lists.freedesktop.org > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/piglit _______________________________________________ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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* Re: [Piglit] X.Org GSoC 2019 - Student Application Period [not found] ` <CAKb7Uvh7QAJhJb4JU5J=KdWqv=9EdFS6bXFy4iThnW6ioqK1mA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> @ 2019-03-26 14:56 ` Trevor Woerner 2019-03-26 15:07 ` Ilia Mirkin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Trevor Woerner @ 2019-03-26 14:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ilia Mirkin; +Cc: nouveau On Tue 2019-03-26 @ 10:40:49 AM, Ilia Mirkin wrote: > Just looked over the projects... they all seem valid Thank you for taking the time to have a look and provide feedback! > but are there > people who could realistically mentor a GSoC student for these? IMHO > unless mentors can be identified, these should all be archived. Attracting mentors is probably the hardest part of running GSoC. Perhaps if a student shows interest in a given topic, someone might be inspired to sign up as a mentor? Keeping the list of ideas up-to-date and finding mentors are the two things I'm hoping to make a noticeable improvement to this year. It also ties in strongly with: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/freedesktop/freedesktop/issues/76 Best regards, Trevor _______________________________________________ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [Piglit] X.Org GSoC 2019 - Student Application Period 2019-03-26 14:56 ` Trevor Woerner @ 2019-03-26 15:07 ` Ilia Mirkin [not found] ` <CAKb7UviCLvPG+71PY2E52dQBAm5KKVRd4oSPM=Hy5CutvLmhug-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Ilia Mirkin @ 2019-03-26 15:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Trevor Woerner; +Cc: nouveau On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 10:56 AM Trevor Woerner <twoerner@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue 2019-03-26 @ 10:40:49 AM, Ilia Mirkin wrote: > > Just looked over the projects... they all seem valid > > Thank you for taking the time to have a look and provide feedback! > > > but are there > > people who could realistically mentor a GSoC student for these? IMHO > > unless mentors can be identified, these should all be archived. > > Attracting mentors is probably the hardest part of running GSoC. Perhaps if a > student shows interest in a given topic, someone might be inspired to sign up > as a mentor? > > Keeping the list of ideas up-to-date and finding mentors are the two things > I'm hoping to make a noticeable improvement to this year. It also ties in > strongly with: > > https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/freedesktop/freedesktop/issues/76 > > Best regards, > Trevor BTW - I meant my comment to only apply to nouveau-related projects. Both in terms of validity, as well as mentorship-unavailability. It sucks for a student to come in, think that some project is available to work on, only to find that there's no one who can mentor them. I don't know how often that happens, but I bet it's "sometimes". Better to get them to dedicate themselves to projects that do have mentors available. [And yeah, I know these are meant as "ideas", but I think in practice it's "here's a list of projects for you to select from". Only a very rare student will come up with their own idea.] -ilia _______________________________________________ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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* Re: [Piglit] X.Org GSoC 2019 - Student Application Period [not found] ` <CAKb7UviCLvPG+71PY2E52dQBAm5KKVRd4oSPM=Hy5CutvLmhug-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> @ 2019-03-26 15:22 ` Roy Spliet [not found] ` <094a674b-b7cb-5e54-8a3a-2c5b8f0669f2-NQbd8FSOZ1kdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Roy Spliet @ 2019-03-26 15:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: nouveau-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW Thanks for reaching out on the matter Ilia. I am not to be relied on. If you're lucky, I might be able to take some questions about past work, but cannot make a solid time commitment that warrants being a mentor. Of course, the mentor does not necessarily have to have the deepest understanding of the subject matter. *At the end of the GSOC* a good student should be trusted with having more knowledge on the specific topic than the mentor. That being said, DVFS is fidgetty and the outcome is binary (it either works or crashes your machine spectacularly), so it's difficult to get someone started and keep 'em motivated if as a mentor you don't have experience on the topic. As such, I'd consider it a high risk topic to promote unless one of the relative veteran developers (Ben, Martin, Karol, or Lyude in the case of clock/power gating) is keen to mentor. Roy On 26/03/2019 15:07, Ilia Mirkin wrote: > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 10:56 AM Trevor Woerner <twoerner@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Tue 2019-03-26 @ 10:40:49 AM, Ilia Mirkin wrote: >>> Just looked over the projects... they all seem valid >> >> Thank you for taking the time to have a look and provide feedback! >> >>> but are there >>> people who could realistically mentor a GSoC student for these? IMHO >>> unless mentors can be identified, these should all be archived. >> >> Attracting mentors is probably the hardest part of running GSoC. Perhaps if a >> student shows interest in a given topic, someone might be inspired to sign up >> as a mentor? >> >> Keeping the list of ideas up-to-date and finding mentors are the two things >> I'm hoping to make a noticeable improvement to this year. It also ties in >> strongly with: >> >> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/freedesktop/freedesktop/issues/76 >> >> Best regards, >> Trevor > > BTW - I meant my comment to only apply to nouveau-related projects. > Both in terms of validity, as well as mentorship-unavailability. > > It sucks for a student to come in, think that some project is > available to work on, only to find that there's no one who can mentor > them. I don't know how often that happens, but I bet it's "sometimes". > Better to get them to dedicate themselves to projects that do have > mentors available. > > [And yeah, I know these are meant as "ideas", but I think in practice > it's "here's a list of projects for you to select from". Only a very > rare student will come up with their own idea.] > > -ilia > _______________________________________________ > Nouveau mailing list > Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau > _______________________________________________ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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* Re: [Piglit] X.Org GSoC 2019 - Student Application Period [not found] ` <094a674b-b7cb-5e54-8a3a-2c5b8f0669f2-NQbd8FSOZ1kdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> @ 2019-03-27 19:37 ` Karol Herbst [not found] ` <CACO55tv_ZaMqEm9OXH9kRr5VGh2ZqtsOTOx2e879FzMNEiM3Hw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Karol Herbst @ 2019-03-27 19:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Roy Spliet; +Cc: nouveau well generally I would be available for all the nouveau projects, although I am lacking proper knowledge for a few of those like video acceleration. But I am sure I would be able to dig into stuff enough before the projects starts. On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:29 PM Roy Spliet <nouveau@spliet.org> wrote: > > Thanks for reaching out on the matter Ilia. > I am not to be relied on. If you're lucky, I might be able to take some > questions about past work, but cannot make a solid time commitment that > warrants being a mentor. > Of course, the mentor does not necessarily have to have the deepest > understanding of the subject matter. *At the end of the GSOC* a good > student should be trusted with having more knowledge on the specific > topic than the mentor. That being said, DVFS is fidgetty and the outcome > is binary (it either works or crashes your machine spectacularly), so > it's difficult to get someone started and keep 'em motivated if as a > mentor you don't have experience on the topic. As such, I'd consider it > a high risk topic to promote unless one of the relative veteran > developers (Ben, Martin, Karol, or Lyude in the case of clock/power > gating) is keen to mentor. > > Roy > > > On 26/03/2019 15:07, Ilia Mirkin wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 10:56 AM Trevor Woerner <twoerner@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> On Tue 2019-03-26 @ 10:40:49 AM, Ilia Mirkin wrote: > >>> Just looked over the projects... they all seem valid > >> > >> Thank you for taking the time to have a look and provide feedback! > >> > >>> but are there > >>> people who could realistically mentor a GSoC student for these? IMHO > >>> unless mentors can be identified, these should all be archived. > >> > >> Attracting mentors is probably the hardest part of running GSoC. Perhaps if a > >> student shows interest in a given topic, someone might be inspired to sign up > >> as a mentor? > >> > >> Keeping the list of ideas up-to-date and finding mentors are the two things > >> I'm hoping to make a noticeable improvement to this year. It also ties in > >> strongly with: > >> > >> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/freedesktop/freedesktop/issues/76 > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Trevor > > > > BTW - I meant my comment to only apply to nouveau-related projects. > > Both in terms of validity, as well as mentorship-unavailability. > > > > It sucks for a student to come in, think that some project is > > available to work on, only to find that there's no one who can mentor > > them. I don't know how often that happens, but I bet it's "sometimes". > > Better to get them to dedicate themselves to projects that do have > > mentors available. > > > > [And yeah, I know these are meant as "ideas", but I think in practice > > it's "here's a list of projects for you to select from". Only a very > > rare student will come up with their own idea.] > > > > -ilia > > _______________________________________________ > > Nouveau mailing list > > Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org > > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau > > > _______________________________________________ > Nouveau mailing list > Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org > https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau _______________________________________________ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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* Re: [Piglit] X.Org GSoC 2019 - Student Application Period [not found] ` <CACO55tv_ZaMqEm9OXH9kRr5VGh2ZqtsOTOx2e879FzMNEiM3Hw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> @ 2019-03-28 5:40 ` Trevor Woerner 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Trevor Woerner @ 2019-03-28 5:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Karol Herbst; +Cc: nouveau [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 371 bytes --] On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 3:38 PM Karol Herbst <kherbst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote: > well generally I would be available for all the nouveau projects, > although I am lacking proper knowledge for a few of those like video > acceleration. But I am sure I would be able to dig into stuff enough > before the projects starts. > Excellent! Thank you :-D [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 717 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 153 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Nouveau mailing list Nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/nouveau ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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