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From: Joel Fernandes <joel-QYYGw3jwrUn5owFQY34kdNi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck-tEXmvtCZX7AybS5Ee8rs3A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: David Howells <dhowells-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
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	Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
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	Eric Dumazet <edumazet-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers
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	Andrew Morton
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	Ingo Molnar <mingo-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 0/4] Forbid static SRCU use in modules
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 14:40:54 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190402184054.GA18150@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190402152334.GC4102-tEXmvtCZX7AybS5Ee8rs3A@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 08:23:34AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 11:14:40AM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > ----- On Apr 2, 2019, at 10:28 AM, paulmck paulmck-tEXmvtCZX7AybS5Ee8rs3A@public.gmane.org wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello!
> > > 
> > > This series prohibits use of DEFINE_SRCU() and DEFINE_STATIC_SRCU()
> > > by loadable modules.  The reason for this prohibition is the fact
> > > that using these two macros within modules requires that the size of
> > > the reserved region be increased, which is not something we want to
> > > be doing all that often.  Instead, loadable modules should define an
> > > srcu_struct and invoke init_srcu_struct() from their module_init function
> > > and cleanup_srcu_struct() from their module_exit function.  Note that
> > > modules using call_srcu() will also need to invoke srcu_barrier() from
> > > their module_exit function.
> > 
> > This arbitrary API limitation seems weird.
> > 
> > Isn't there a way to allow modules to use DEFINE_SRCU and DEFINE_STATIC_SRCU
> > while implementing them with dynamic allocation under the hood ?
> 
> Although call_srcu() already has initialization hooks, some would
> also be required in srcu_read_lock(), and I am concerned about adding
> memory allocation at that point, especially given the possibility
> of memory-allocation failure.  And the possibility that the first
> srcu_read_lock() happens in an interrupt handler or similar.
> 
> Or am I missing a trick here?

Hi Paul,

Which 'reserved region' are you referring to? Isn't this region also
used for non-module cases in which case the same problem applies to
non-modules?

thanks!

 - Joel

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From: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	fweisbec <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	rcu@vger.kernel.org, Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, dipankar <dipankar@in.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 0/4] Forbid static SRCU use in modules
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 14:40:54 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190402184054.GA18150@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190402152334.GC4102@linux.ibm.com>

On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 08:23:34AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 11:14:40AM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > ----- On Apr 2, 2019, at 10:28 AM, paulmck paulmck@linux.ibm.com wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello!
> > > 
> > > This series prohibits use of DEFINE_SRCU() and DEFINE_STATIC_SRCU()
> > > by loadable modules.  The reason for this prohibition is the fact
> > > that using these two macros within modules requires that the size of
> > > the reserved region be increased, which is not something we want to
> > > be doing all that often.  Instead, loadable modules should define an
> > > srcu_struct and invoke init_srcu_struct() from their module_init function
> > > and cleanup_srcu_struct() from their module_exit function.  Note that
> > > modules using call_srcu() will also need to invoke srcu_barrier() from
> > > their module_exit function.
> > 
> > This arbitrary API limitation seems weird.
> > 
> > Isn't there a way to allow modules to use DEFINE_SRCU and DEFINE_STATIC_SRCU
> > while implementing them with dynamic allocation under the hood ?
> 
> Although call_srcu() already has initialization hooks, some would
> also be required in srcu_read_lock(), and I am concerned about adding
> memory allocation at that point, especially given the possibility
> of memory-allocation failure.  And the possibility that the first
> srcu_read_lock() happens in an interrupt handler or similar.
> 
> Or am I missing a trick here?

Hi Paul,

Which 'reserved region' are you referring to? Isn't this region also
used for non-module cases in which case the same problem applies to
non-modules?

thanks!

 - Joel

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From: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	rcu@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	dipankar <dipankar@in.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>, fweisbec <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 0/4] Forbid static SRCU use in modules
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 14:40:54 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190402184054.GA18150@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190402152334.GC4102@linux.ibm.com>

On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 08:23:34AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 11:14:40AM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > ----- On Apr 2, 2019, at 10:28 AM, paulmck paulmck@linux.ibm.com wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello!
> > > 
> > > This series prohibits use of DEFINE_SRCU() and DEFINE_STATIC_SRCU()
> > > by loadable modules.  The reason for this prohibition is the fact
> > > that using these two macros within modules requires that the size of
> > > the reserved region be increased, which is not something we want to
> > > be doing all that often.  Instead, loadable modules should define an
> > > srcu_struct and invoke init_srcu_struct() from their module_init function
> > > and cleanup_srcu_struct() from their module_exit function.  Note that
> > > modules using call_srcu() will also need to invoke srcu_barrier() from
> > > their module_exit function.
> > 
> > This arbitrary API limitation seems weird.
> > 
> > Isn't there a way to allow modules to use DEFINE_SRCU and DEFINE_STATIC_SRCU
> > while implementing them with dynamic allocation under the hood ?
> 
> Although call_srcu() already has initialization hooks, some would
> also be required in srcu_read_lock(), and I am concerned about adding
> memory allocation at that point, especially given the possibility
> of memory-allocation failure.  And the possibility that the first
> srcu_read_lock() happens in an interrupt handler or similar.
> 
> Or am I missing a trick here?

Hi Paul,

Which 'reserved region' are you referring to? Isn't this region also
used for non-module cases in which case the same problem applies to
non-modules?

thanks!

 - Joel


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-04-02 18:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-02 14:28 [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 0/4] Forbid static SRCU use in modules Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-02 14:29 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 1/4] dax/super: Dynamically allocate dax_srcu Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-02 14:29   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-03 18:31   ` Dan Williams
2019-04-03 18:31     ` Dan Williams
2019-04-04 21:04     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-04 21:04       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-02 14:29 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 2/4] drivers/gpu/drm: Dynamically allocate drm_unplug_srcu Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-02 16:14   ` Daniel Vetter
2019-04-02 16:14     ` Daniel Vetter
2019-04-02 14:29 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 3/4] drivers/gpu/drm/amd: Dynamically allocate kfd_processes_srcu Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-02 17:40   ` Kuehling, Felix
2019-04-02 17:40     ` Kuehling, Felix
2019-04-04 21:16     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-04 21:16       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-02 14:29 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 4/4] rcu: Forbid DEFINE{,_STATIC}_SRCU() from modules Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-02 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC tip/core/rcu 0/4] Forbid static SRCU use in modules Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-04-02 15:23   ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]     ` <20190402152334.GC4102-tEXmvtCZX7AybS5Ee8rs3A@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-02 15:34       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-04-02 15:34         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-04-03 13:32         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-03 14:27           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]             ` <1028306587.504.1554301662374.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-03 16:20               ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-03 16:20                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-03 19:30                 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-03 19:30                   ` Joel Fernandes
     [not found]                 ` <20190403162039.GA14111-tEXmvtCZX7AybS5Ee8rs3A@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-05 23:28                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-05 23:28                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-06 13:33                     ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-07 13:48                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-07 13:48                         ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]                     ` <20190405232835.GA24702-tEXmvtCZX7AybS5Ee8rs3A@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-06 23:06                       ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-06 23:06                         ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-07 13:39                         ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]                           ` <20190407133941.GC14111-tEXmvtCZX7AybS5Ee8rs3A@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-07 13:59                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-07 13:59                               ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]                               ` <20190407135937.GA30053-tEXmvtCZX7AybS5Ee8rs3A@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-07 15:46                                 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-07 15:46                                   ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-07 17:05                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-07 17:05                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]                                     ` <20190407170514.GE14111-tEXmvtCZX7AybS5Ee8rs3A@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-08  0:36                                       ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-08  0:36                                         ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-08  2:28                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-07 19:26                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-04-07 19:26                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                   ` <134026717.535.1554665176677.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-07 19:32                                     ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-07 19:32                                       ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-07 20:41                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-04-07 20:41                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-04-07 21:07                                         ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-08  2:27                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-08 13:05                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-04-08 14:22                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-08 14:49                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-04-08 15:46                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-08 17:24                                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-04-09 15:40                                                       ` Joel Fernandes
     [not found]                                                         ` <20190409154012.GC248418-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-09 15:56                                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-04-09 15:56                                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-04-09 16:18                                                             ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-09 16:40                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]                                                               ` <20190409164031.GE14111-tEXmvtCZX7AybS5Ee8rs3A@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-09 16:45                                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-04-09 16:45                                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-04-09 17:55                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]                                                                     ` <20190409175549.GG14111-tEXmvtCZX7AybS5Ee8rs3A@public.gmane.org>
2019-04-09 18:04                                                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-04-09 18:04                                                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-04-09 19:14                                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-02 18:40       ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
2019-04-02 18:40         ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-02 18:40         ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-03 13:19         ` Paul E. McKenney

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