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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Yury Kotov <yury-kotov@yandex-team.ru>
Cc: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"yc-core@yandex-team.ru" <yc-core@yandex-team.ru>,
	"Juan Quintela" <quintela@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] migration: Fix handling fd protocol
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 15:19:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190418141956.GF2984@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <612681555412465@iva6-8a76e93b6298.qloud-c.yandex.net>

* Yury Kotov (yury-kotov@yandex-team.ru) wrote:
> 15.04.2019, 14:30, "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>:
> > * Daniel P. Berrangé (berrange@redhat.com) wrote:
> >>  On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 12:15:12PM +0100, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> >>  > * Daniel P. Berrangé (berrange@redhat.com) wrote:
> >>  > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 01:33:21PM +0300, Yury Kotov wrote:
> >>  > > > 15.04.2019, 13:25, "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>:
> >>  > > > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 01:17:06PM +0300, Yury Kotov wrote:
> >>  > > > >>  15.04.2019, 13:11, "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>:
> >>  > > > >>  > On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 12:50:08PM +0300, Yury Kotov wrote:
> >>  > > > >>  >>  Hi,
> >>  > > > >>  >>
> >>  > > > >>  >>  Just to clarify. I see two possible solutions:
> >>  > > > >>  >>
> >>  > > > >>  >>  1) Since the migration code doesn't receive fd, it isn't responsible for
> >>  > > > >>  >>  closing it. So, it may be better to use migrate_fd_param for both
> >>  > > > >>  >>  incoming/outgoing and add dupping for migrate_fd_param. Thus, clients must
> >>  > > > >>  >>  close the fd themselves. But existing clients will have a leak.
> >>  > > > >>  >
> >>  > > > >>  > We can't break existing clients in this way as they are correctly
> >>  > > > >>  > using the monitor with its current semantics.
> >>  > > > >>  >
> >>  > > > >>  >>  2) If we don't duplicate fd, then at least we should remove fd from
> >>  > > > >>  >>  the corresponding list. Therefore, the solution is to fix qemu_close to find
> >>  > > > >>  >>  the list and remove fd from it. But qemu_close is currently consistent with
> >>  > > > >>  >>  qemu_open (which opens/dups fd), so adding additional logic might not be
> >>  > > > >>  >>  a very good idea.
> >>  > > > >>  >
> >>  > > > >>  > qemu_close is not appropriate place to deal with something speciifc
> >>  > > > >>  > to the montor.
> >>  > > > >>  >
> >>  > > > >>  >>  I don't see any other solution, but I might miss something.
> >>  > > > >>  >>  What do you think?
> >>  > > > >>  >
> >>  > > > >>  > All callers of monitor_get_fd() will close() the FD they get back.
> >>  > > > >>  > Thus monitor_get_fd() should remove it from the list when it returns
> >>  > > > >>  > it, and we should add API docs to monitor_get_fd() to explain this.
> >>  > > > >>  >
> >>  > > > >>  Ok, it sounds reasonable. But monitor_get_fd is only about outgoing migration.
> >>  > > > >>  But what about the incoming migration? It doesn't use monitor_get_fd but just
> >>  > > > >>  converts input string to int and use it as fd.
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > > > The incoming migration expects the FD to be passed into QEMU by the mgmt
> >>  > > > > app when it is exec'ing the QEMU binary. It doesn't interact with the
> >>  > > > > monitor at all AFAIR.
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > > Oh, sorry. This use case is not obvious. We used add-fd to pass fd for
> >>  > > > migrate-incoming and such way has described problems.
> >>  > >
> >>  > > That's a bug in your usage of QEMU IMHO, as the incoming code is not
> >>  > > designed to use add-fd.
> >>  >
> >>  > Hmm, that's true - although:
> >>  > a) It's very non-obvious
> >>  > b) Unfortunate, since it would go well with -incoming defer
> >>
> >>  Yeah I think this is a screw up on QMEU's part when introducing 'defer'.
> >>
> >>  We should have mandated use of 'add-fd' when using 'defer', since FD
> >>  inheritance-over-execve() should only be used for command line args,
> >>  not monitor commands.
> >>
> >>  Not sure how to best fix this is QEMU though without breaking back
> >>  compat for apps using 'defer' already.
> >
> > We could add mon-fd: transports that has the same behaviour as now for
> > outgoing, and for incoming uses the add-fd stash.
> >
> 
> Oh, I'm sorry again. I think my suggestion about monitor_fd_param wasn't
> relevant to this issue. If migrate-incoming + "fd:" + add-fd is an invalid use
> case, should we disallow this?
> I may add a check to fd_start_incoming_migration if fd is in mon fds list.
> But I'm afraid there are users like me who are already using this wrong use case.
> Because currently nothing in QEMU's docs disallow this.
> 
> So which solution is better in your opinion?
> 1) Disallow fd's from mon fds list in fd_start_incoming_migration

I'm surprised anything could be doing that - how would a user know what
the correct fd index was?

> 2) Allow these fds, but dup them or close them correctly

I think I'd leave the current (confusing) fd: as it is, maybe put a note
in the manual.

> And how to migrate-incoming defer through fd correctly?
> 1) Add "mon-fd:" protocol to work with fds passed by "add-fd/remove-fd" commands
> as suggested by Dave

That's my preference; it's explicitly named and consistent, and it
doesn't touch the existing fd code.

Dave

> 2) My suggestion about monitor_fd_param and make "fd:" for
> migrate/migrate-incoming consistent. So user will be able to use
> getfd + migrate-incoming
> 3) Both of them or something else
> 
> Regards,
> Yury Kotov
--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK

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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Yury Kotov <yury-kotov@yandex-team.ru>
Cc: "qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"yc-core@yandex-team.ru" <yc-core@yandex-team.ru>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] migration: Fix handling fd protocol
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 15:19:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190418141956.GF2984@work-vm> (raw)
Message-ID: <20190418141956._57tdW2IB6ejZIux_XXE29eEkr3gpqBbflXTkgM5NAU@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <612681555412465@iva6-8a76e93b6298.qloud-c.yandex.net>

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* Yury Kotov (yury-kotov@yandex-team.ru) wrote:
> 15.04.2019, 14:30, "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>:
> > * Daniel P. Berrangé (berrange@redhat.com) wrote:
> >>  On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 12:15:12PM +0100, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> >>  > * Daniel P. Berrangé (berrange@redhat.com) wrote:
> >>  > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 01:33:21PM +0300, Yury Kotov wrote:
> >>  > > > 15.04.2019, 13:25, "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>:
> >>  > > > > On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 01:17:06PM +0300, Yury Kotov wrote:
> >>  > > > >>  15.04.2019, 13:11, "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>:
> >>  > > > >>  > On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 12:50:08PM +0300, Yury Kotov wrote:
> >>  > > > >>  >>  Hi,
> >>  > > > >>  >>
> >>  > > > >>  >>  Just to clarify. I see two possible solutions:
> >>  > > > >>  >>
> >>  > > > >>  >>  1) Since the migration code doesn't receive fd, it isn't responsible for
> >>  > > > >>  >>  closing it. So, it may be better to use migrate_fd_param for both
> >>  > > > >>  >>  incoming/outgoing and add dupping for migrate_fd_param. Thus, clients must
> >>  > > > >>  >>  close the fd themselves. But existing clients will have a leak.
> >>  > > > >>  >
> >>  > > > >>  > We can't break existing clients in this way as they are correctly
> >>  > > > >>  > using the monitor with its current semantics.
> >>  > > > >>  >
> >>  > > > >>  >>  2) If we don't duplicate fd, then at least we should remove fd from
> >>  > > > >>  >>  the corresponding list. Therefore, the solution is to fix qemu_close to find
> >>  > > > >>  >>  the list and remove fd from it. But qemu_close is currently consistent with
> >>  > > > >>  >>  qemu_open (which opens/dups fd), so adding additional logic might not be
> >>  > > > >>  >>  a very good idea.
> >>  > > > >>  >
> >>  > > > >>  > qemu_close is not appropriate place to deal with something speciifc
> >>  > > > >>  > to the montor.
> >>  > > > >>  >
> >>  > > > >>  >>  I don't see any other solution, but I might miss something.
> >>  > > > >>  >>  What do you think?
> >>  > > > >>  >
> >>  > > > >>  > All callers of monitor_get_fd() will close() the FD they get back.
> >>  > > > >>  > Thus monitor_get_fd() should remove it from the list when it returns
> >>  > > > >>  > it, and we should add API docs to monitor_get_fd() to explain this.
> >>  > > > >>  >
> >>  > > > >>  Ok, it sounds reasonable. But monitor_get_fd is only about outgoing migration.
> >>  > > > >>  But what about the incoming migration? It doesn't use monitor_get_fd but just
> >>  > > > >>  converts input string to int and use it as fd.
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > > > The incoming migration expects the FD to be passed into QEMU by the mgmt
> >>  > > > > app when it is exec'ing the QEMU binary. It doesn't interact with the
> >>  > > > > monitor at all AFAIR.
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > > Oh, sorry. This use case is not obvious. We used add-fd to pass fd for
> >>  > > > migrate-incoming and such way has described problems.
> >>  > >
> >>  > > That's a bug in your usage of QEMU IMHO, as the incoming code is not
> >>  > > designed to use add-fd.
> >>  >
> >>  > Hmm, that's true - although:
> >>  > a) It's very non-obvious
> >>  > b) Unfortunate, since it would go well with -incoming defer
> >>
> >>  Yeah I think this is a screw up on QMEU's part when introducing 'defer'.
> >>
> >>  We should have mandated use of 'add-fd' when using 'defer', since FD
> >>  inheritance-over-execve() should only be used for command line args,
> >>  not monitor commands.
> >>
> >>  Not sure how to best fix this is QEMU though without breaking back
> >>  compat for apps using 'defer' already.
> >
> > We could add mon-fd: transports that has the same behaviour as now for
> > outgoing, and for incoming uses the add-fd stash.
> >
> 
> Oh, I'm sorry again. I think my suggestion about monitor_fd_param wasn't
> relevant to this issue. If migrate-incoming + "fd:" + add-fd is an invalid use
> case, should we disallow this?
> I may add a check to fd_start_incoming_migration if fd is in mon fds list.
> But I'm afraid there are users like me who are already using this wrong use case.
> Because currently nothing in QEMU's docs disallow this.
> 
> So which solution is better in your opinion?
> 1) Disallow fd's from mon fds list in fd_start_incoming_migration

I'm surprised anything could be doing that - how would a user know what
the correct fd index was?

> 2) Allow these fds, but dup them or close them correctly

I think I'd leave the current (confusing) fd: as it is, maybe put a note
in the manual.

> And how to migrate-incoming defer through fd correctly?
> 1) Add "mon-fd:" protocol to work with fds passed by "add-fd/remove-fd" commands
> as suggested by Dave

That's my preference; it's explicitly named and consistent, and it
doesn't touch the existing fd code.

Dave

> 2) My suggestion about monitor_fd_param and make "fd:" for
> migrate/migrate-incoming consistent. So user will be able to use
> getfd + migrate-incoming
> 3) Both of them or something else
> 
> Regards,
> Yury Kotov
--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK


  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-18 14:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-10  9:26 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] migration: Fix handling fd protocol Yury Kotov
2019-04-10  9:26 ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-10 10:13 ` no-reply
2019-04-10 10:13   ` no-reply
2019-04-10 13:57 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-04-10 13:57   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-04-10 14:16   ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-11 12:04 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-11 12:04   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-11 12:31   ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-11 12:31     ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-11 12:39     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-11 12:39       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-11 12:50       ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-11 12:50         ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-15  9:50         ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-15 10:11           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-15 10:11             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-15 10:17             ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-15 10:17               ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-15 10:24               ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-15 10:24                 ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-15 10:25               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-15 10:25                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-15 10:33                 ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-15 10:33                   ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-15 10:47                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-15 10:47                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-15 11:15                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-04-15 11:19                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2019-04-15 11:30                         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-04-15 12:20                           ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-16  9:27                             ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-16 11:01                           ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-18 14:19                             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2019-04-18 14:19                               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-04-18 15:36                               ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-18 15:36                                 ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-18 16:03                                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-04-18 16:03                                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-04-18 16:25                                   ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-18 16:25                                     ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-18 17:01                                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-04-18 17:01                                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-04-18 17:46                                       ` Yury Kotov
2019-04-18 17:46                                         ` Yury Kotov
2019-05-14  9:36                                         ` Yury Kotov
2019-05-21 16:09                                           ` Yury Kotov

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