All of lore.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
Cc: Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, luto@amacapital.net,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, dancol@google.com, sspatil@google.com,
	jannh@google.com, surenb@google.com, timmurray@google.com,
	Jonathan Kowalski <bl0pbl33p@gmail.com>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, kernel-team@android.com,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Jann Horn <jann@thejh.net>,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra (Intel)" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge@hallyn.com>, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>, Thomas Gleixner <tgl>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/2] Add polling support to pidfd
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 14:07:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190430120759.GC23020@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190430115332.GB23020@redhat.com>

On 04/30, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>
> > > pidfd_poll() can race with the exiting task, miss exit_code != 0, and return
> > > zero. However, do_poll() won't block after that and pidfd_poll() will be called
> > > again.
> >
> > Here also I didn't follow what you mean. If exit_code is read as 0 in
> > pidfd_poll(), then in do_poll() the count will be 0 and it will block in
> > poll_schedule_timeout(). Right?
>
> No. Please note the pwq->triggered check and please read __pollwake().
>
> But if you want to understand this you can forget about poll/select. It is
> a bit complicated, in particular because it has to do set_current_state()
> right  before schedule() and thus it plays games with pwq->triggered. But in
> essence this doesn't differ too much from the plain wait_event-like code
> (although you can also look at wait_woken/woken_wake_function).
>
> If remove_wait_queue() could happem before wake_up_all() (like in your pseudo-
> code above), then pidfd_poll() or any other ->poll() method could miss _both_
> the condition and wakeup. But sys_poll() doesn't do this, so it is fine to miss
> the condition and rely on wake_up_all() which ensures we won't block and the
> next iteration must see condition == T.

Oh, just in case... If it is not clear, of course I am talking about the case
when wake_up_call() was already called when we check the condition. Otherwise
everything is simple.

Oleg.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: oleg at redhat.com (Oleg Nesterov)
Subject: [PATCH v1 1/2] Add polling support to pidfd
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 14:07:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190430120759.GC23020@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190430115332.GB23020@redhat.com>

On 04/30, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>
> > > pidfd_poll() can race with the exiting task, miss exit_code != 0, and return
> > > zero. However, do_poll() won't block after that and pidfd_poll() will be called
> > > again.
> >
> > Here also I didn't follow what you mean. If exit_code is read as 0 in
> > pidfd_poll(), then in do_poll() the count will be 0 and it will block in
> > poll_schedule_timeout(). Right?
>
> No. Please note the pwq->triggered check and please read __pollwake().
>
> But if you want to understand this you can forget about poll/select. It is
> a bit complicated, in particular because it has to do set_current_state()
> right  before schedule() and thus it plays games with pwq->triggered. But in
> essence this doesn't differ too much from the plain wait_event-like code
> (although you can also look at wait_woken/woken_wake_function).
>
> If remove_wait_queue() could happem before wake_up_all() (like in your pseudo-
> code above), then pidfd_poll() or any other ->poll() method could miss _both_
> the condition and wakeup. But sys_poll() doesn't do this, so it is fine to miss
> the condition and rely on wake_up_all() which ensures we won't block and the
> next iteration must see condition == T.

Oh, just in case... If it is not clear, of course I am talking about the case
when wake_up_call() was already called when we check the condition. Otherwise
everything is simple.

Oleg.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: oleg@redhat.com (Oleg Nesterov)
Subject: [PATCH v1 1/2] Add polling support to pidfd
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 14:07:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190430120759.GC23020@redhat.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20190430120759._4kNQHQq4fZteFY2bD0u3FgouWF0TDt2_7l4Dey7--4@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190430115332.GB23020@redhat.com>

On 04/30, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>
> > > pidfd_poll() can race with the exiting task, miss exit_code != 0, and return
> > > zero. However, do_poll() won't block after that and pidfd_poll() will be called
> > > again.
> >
> > Here also I didn't follow what you mean. If exit_code is read as 0 in
> > pidfd_poll(), then in do_poll() the count will be 0 and it will block in
> > poll_schedule_timeout(). Right?
>
> No. Please note the pwq->triggered check and please read __pollwake().
>
> But if you want to understand this you can forget about poll/select. It is
> a bit complicated, in particular because it has to do set_current_state()
> right  before schedule() and thus it plays games with pwq->triggered. But in
> essence this doesn't differ too much from the plain wait_event-like code
> (although you can also look at wait_woken/woken_wake_function).
>
> If remove_wait_queue() could happem before wake_up_all() (like in your pseudo-
> code above), then pidfd_poll() or any other ->poll() method could miss _both_
> the condition and wakeup. But sys_poll() doesn't do this, so it is fine to miss
> the condition and rely on wake_up_all() which ensures we won't block and the
> next iteration must see condition == T.

Oh, just in case... If it is not clear, of course I am talking about the case
when wake_up_call() was already called when we check the condition. Otherwise
everything is simple.

Oleg.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
Cc: Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, luto@amacapital.net,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, dancol@google.com, sspatil@google.com,
	jannh@google.com, surenb@google.com, timmurray@google.com,
	Jonathan Kowalski <bl0pbl33p@gmail.com>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, kernel-team@android.com,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Jann Horn <jann@thejh.net>,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra (Intel)" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge@hallyn.com>, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.ws>,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, linux-api@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/2] Add polling support to pidfd
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 14:07:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190430120759.GC23020@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190430115332.GB23020@redhat.com>

On 04/30, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>
> > > pidfd_poll() can race with the exiting task, miss exit_code != 0, and return
> > > zero. However, do_poll() won't block after that and pidfd_poll() will be called
> > > again.
> >
> > Here also I didn't follow what you mean. If exit_code is read as 0 in
> > pidfd_poll(), then in do_poll() the count will be 0 and it will block in
> > poll_schedule_timeout(). Right?
>
> No. Please note the pwq->triggered check and please read __pollwake().
>
> But if you want to understand this you can forget about poll/select. It is
> a bit complicated, in particular because it has to do set_current_state()
> right  before schedule() and thus it plays games with pwq->triggered. But in
> essence this doesn't differ too much from the plain wait_event-like code
> (although you can also look at wait_woken/woken_wake_function).
>
> If remove_wait_queue() could happem before wake_up_all() (like in your pseudo-
> code above), then pidfd_poll() or any other ->poll() method could miss _both_
> the condition and wakeup. But sys_poll() doesn't do this, so it is fine to miss
> the condition and rely on wake_up_all() which ensures we won't block and the
> next iteration must see condition == T.

Oh, just in case... If it is not clear, of course I am talking about the case
when wake_up_call() was already called when we check the condition. Otherwise
everything is simple.

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-30 12:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-25 19:00 [PATCH v1 1/2] Add polling support to pidfd joel
2019-04-25 19:00 ` Joel Fernandes (Google)
2019-04-25 19:00 ` Joel Fernandes (Google)
2019-04-25 19:00 ` [PATCH v1 2/2] Add selftests for pidfd polling joel
2019-04-25 19:00   ` Joel Fernandes (Google)
2019-04-25 19:00   ` Joel Fernandes (Google)
2019-04-25 20:00   ` tycho
2019-04-25 20:00     ` Tycho Andersen
2019-04-25 20:00     ` Tycho Andersen
2019-04-26 13:47     ` joel
2019-04-26 13:47       ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-26 13:47       ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-25 21:29   ` christian
2019-04-25 21:29     ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-25 21:29     ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-25 22:07     ` dancol
2019-04-25 22:07       ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-25 22:07       ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-26 17:26       ` joel
2019-04-26 17:26         ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-26 17:26         ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-26 19:35         ` dancol
2019-04-26 19:35           ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-26 19:35           ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-26 20:31           ` joel
2019-04-26 20:31             ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-26 20:31             ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-26 13:42     ` joel
2019-04-26 13:42       ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-26 13:42       ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-25 22:24 ` [PATCH v1 1/2] Add polling support to pidfd Christian Brauner
2019-04-25 22:24   ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-25 22:24   ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-25 22:24   ` christian
2019-04-26 14:23   ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-26 14:23     ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-26 14:23     ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-26 14:23     ` joel
2019-04-26 15:21     ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-26 15:21       ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-26 15:21       ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-26 15:21       ` christian
2019-04-26 15:31       ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-26 15:31         ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-26 15:31         ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-26 15:31         ` christian
2019-04-28 16:24   ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-04-28 16:24     ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-04-28 16:24     ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-04-28 16:24     ` oleg
2019-04-29 14:02     ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-29 14:02       ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-29 14:02       ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-29 14:02       ` joel
2019-04-29 14:07       ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-29 14:07         ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-29 14:07         ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-29 14:07         ` joel
2019-04-29 14:25         ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-04-29 14:25           ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-04-29 14:25           ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-04-29 14:25           ` oleg
2019-04-29 14:20       ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-04-29 14:20         ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-04-29 14:20         ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-04-29 14:20         ` oleg
2019-04-29 16:32         ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-29 16:32           ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-29 16:32           ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-29 16:32           ` joel
2019-04-30 11:53           ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-04-30 11:53             ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-04-30 11:53             ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-04-30 11:53             ` oleg
2019-04-30 12:07             ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2019-04-30 12:07               ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-04-30 12:07               ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-04-30 12:07               ` oleg
2019-04-30 15:49             ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-30 15:49               ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-30 15:49               ` Joel Fernandes
2019-04-30 15:49               ` joel
2019-04-26 14:58 ` christian
2019-04-26 14:58   ` Christian Brauner
2019-04-26 14:58   ` Christian Brauner

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20190430120759.GC23020@redhat.com \
    --to=oleg@redhat.com \
    --cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=arnd@arndb.de \
    --cc=bl0pbl33p@gmail.com \
    --cc=christian@brauner.io \
    --cc=dancol@google.com \
    --cc=ebiederm@xmission.com \
    --cc=gregkh@linuxfoundation.org \
    --cc=jann@thejh.net \
    --cc=jannh@google.com \
    --cc=joel@joelfernandes.org \
    --cc=kernel-team@android.com \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=luto@amacapital.net \
    --cc=mhocko@suse.com \
    --cc=mingo@kernel.org \
    --cc=peterz@infradead.org \
    --cc=rostedt@goodmis.org \
    --cc=serge@hallyn.com \
    --cc=sfr@canb.auug.org.au \
    --cc=shuah@kernel.org \
    --cc=sspatil@google.com \
    --cc=surenb@google.com \
    --cc=timmurray@google.com \
    --cc=torvalds@linux-foundation.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.