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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	Erik Skultety <eskultet@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] vfio/mdev: add version attribute for mdev device
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 12:01:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190514110143.GD2753@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190514115135.078bbaf7.cohuck@redhat.com>

* Cornelia Huck (cohuck@redhat.com) wrote:
> On Tue, 14 May 2019 03:47:36 -0400
> Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 03:43:44PM +0800, Erik Skultety wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 03:32:19AM -0400, Yan Zhao wrote:  
> > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 03:20:40PM +0800, Erik Skultety wrote:  
> 
> > > > > That said, from libvirt POV as a consumer, I'd expect there to be truly only 2
> > > > > errors (I believe Alex has mentioned something similar in one of his responses
> > > > > in one of the threads):
> > > > >     a) read error indicating that an mdev type doesn't support migration
> > > > >         - I assume if one type doesn't support migration, none of the other
> > > > >           types exposed on the parent device do, is that a fair assumption?
> 
> Probably; but there might be cases where the migratability depends not
> on the device type, but how the partitioning has been done... or is
> that too contrived?
> 
> > > > >     b) write error indicating that the mdev types are incompatible for
> > > > >     migration
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Erik  
> > > > Thanks for this explanation.
> > > > so, can we arrive at below agreements?
> > > >
> > > > 1. "not to define the specific errno returned for a specific situation,
> > > > let the vendor driver decide, userspace simply needs to know that an errno on
> > > > read indicates the device does not support migration version comparison and
> > > > that an errno on write indicates the devices are incompatible or the target
> > > > doesn't support migration versions. "
> > > > 2. vendor driver should log detailed error reasons in kernel log.  
> > > 
> > > That would be my take on this, yes, but I open to hear any other suggestions and
> > > ideas I couldn't think of as well.
> 
> So, read to find out whether migration is supported at all, write to
> find out whether it is supported for that concrete pairing is
> reasonable for libvirt?
> 
> > > 
> > > Erik  
> > got it. thanks a lot!
> > 
> > hi Cornelia and Dave,
> > do you also agree on:
> > 1. "not to define the specific errno returned for a specific situation,
> > let the vendor driver decide, userspace simply needs to know that an errno on
> > read indicates the device does not support migration version comparison and
> > that an errno on write indicates the devices are incompatible or the target
> > doesn't support migration versions. "
> > 2. vendor driver should log detailed error reasons in kernel log.
> 
> Two questions:
> - How reasonable is it to refer to the system log in order to find out
>   what exactly went wrong?
> - If detailed error reporting is basically done to the syslog, do
>   different error codes still provide useful information? Or should the
>   vendor driver decide what it wants to do?

I don't see error codes as being that helpful; if we can't actually get
an error message back up the stack (which was my preference), then I guess
syslog is as good as it will get.

Dave

--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK

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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: "cjia@nvidia.com" <cjia@nvidia.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"aik@ozlabs.ru" <aik@ozlabs.ru>,
	"Zhengxiao.zx@alibaba-inc.com" <Zhengxiao.zx@alibaba-inc.com>,
	"shuangtai.tst@alibaba-inc.com" <shuangtai.tst@alibaba-inc.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"kwankhede@nvidia.com" <kwankhede@nvidia.com>,
	"eauger@redhat.com" <eauger@redhat.com>,
	"Liu, Yi L" <yi.l.liu@intel.com>,
	Erik Skultety <eskultet@redhat.com>,
	"Yang, Ziye" <ziye.yang@intel.com>,
	"mlevitsk@redhat.com" <mlevitsk@redhat.com>,
	"pasic@linux.ibm.com" <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
	"libvir-list@redhat.com" <libvir-list@redhat.com>,
	"arei.gonglei@huawei.com" <arei.gonglei@huawei.com>,
	"felipe@nutanix.com" <felipe@nutanix.com>,
	"Ken.Xue@amd.com" <Ken.Xue@amd.com>,
	"Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	"zhenyuw@linux.intel.com" <zhenyuw@linux.intel.com>,
	"jonathan.davies@nutanix.com" <jonathan.davies@nutanix.com>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"intel-gvt-dev@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<intel-gvt-dev@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Liu, Changpeng" <changpeng.liu@intel.com>,
	"berrange@redhat.com" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Wang, Zhi A" <zhi.a.wang@intel.com>,
	"dinechin@redhat.com" <dinechin@redhat.com>,
	"He, Shaopeng" <shaopeng.he@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 1/2] vfio/mdev: add version attribute for mdev device
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 12:01:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190514110143.GD2753@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190514115135.078bbaf7.cohuck@redhat.com>

* Cornelia Huck (cohuck@redhat.com) wrote:
> On Tue, 14 May 2019 03:47:36 -0400
> Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 03:43:44PM +0800, Erik Skultety wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 03:32:19AM -0400, Yan Zhao wrote:  
> > > > On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 03:20:40PM +0800, Erik Skultety wrote:  
> 
> > > > > That said, from libvirt POV as a consumer, I'd expect there to be truly only 2
> > > > > errors (I believe Alex has mentioned something similar in one of his responses
> > > > > in one of the threads):
> > > > >     a) read error indicating that an mdev type doesn't support migration
> > > > >         - I assume if one type doesn't support migration, none of the other
> > > > >           types exposed on the parent device do, is that a fair assumption?
> 
> Probably; but there might be cases where the migratability depends not
> on the device type, but how the partitioning has been done... or is
> that too contrived?
> 
> > > > >     b) write error indicating that the mdev types are incompatible for
> > > > >     migration
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Erik  
> > > > Thanks for this explanation.
> > > > so, can we arrive at below agreements?
> > > >
> > > > 1. "not to define the specific errno returned for a specific situation,
> > > > let the vendor driver decide, userspace simply needs to know that an errno on
> > > > read indicates the device does not support migration version comparison and
> > > > that an errno on write indicates the devices are incompatible or the target
> > > > doesn't support migration versions. "
> > > > 2. vendor driver should log detailed error reasons in kernel log.  
> > > 
> > > That would be my take on this, yes, but I open to hear any other suggestions and
> > > ideas I couldn't think of as well.
> 
> So, read to find out whether migration is supported at all, write to
> find out whether it is supported for that concrete pairing is
> reasonable for libvirt?
> 
> > > 
> > > Erik  
> > got it. thanks a lot!
> > 
> > hi Cornelia and Dave,
> > do you also agree on:
> > 1. "not to define the specific errno returned for a specific situation,
> > let the vendor driver decide, userspace simply needs to know that an errno on
> > read indicates the device does not support migration version comparison and
> > that an errno on write indicates the devices are incompatible or the target
> > doesn't support migration versions. "
> > 2. vendor driver should log detailed error reasons in kernel log.
> 
> Two questions:
> - How reasonable is it to refer to the system log in order to find out
>   what exactly went wrong?
> - If detailed error reporting is basically done to the syslog, do
>   different error codes still provide useful information? Or should the
>   vendor driver decide what it wants to do?

I don't see error codes as being that helpful; if we can't actually get
an error message back up the stack (which was my preference), then I guess
syslog is as good as it will get.

Dave

--
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-05-14 11:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-06  1:45 [PATCH v2 0/2] introduction of version attribute for VFIO live migration Yan Zhao
2019-05-06  1:45 ` [Qemu-devel] " Yan Zhao
2019-05-06  1:49 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 1/2] vfio/mdev: add version attribute for mdev device Yan Zhao
2019-05-07  9:19   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-07  9:19     ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-05-08 11:57     ` Yan Zhao
2019-05-08 11:57       ` [Qemu-devel] " Yan Zhao
2019-05-09 15:24       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-09 15:24         ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-05-10  2:43         ` Yan Zhao
2019-05-10  2:43           ` [Qemu-devel] " Yan Zhao
2019-05-07 21:18   ` Alex Williamson
2019-05-07 21:18     ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2019-05-08 11:27     ` Yan Zhao
2019-05-08 11:27       ` [Qemu-devel] " Yan Zhao
2019-05-08 21:22       ` Alex Williamson
2019-05-08 21:22         ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2019-05-08 15:27         ` [libvirt] " Boris Fiuczynski
2019-05-08 15:27           ` [Qemu-devel] " Boris Fiuczynski
2019-05-09  6:55           ` Yan Zhao
2019-05-09  6:55             ` [Qemu-devel] " Yan Zhao
2019-05-14 15:31           ` Alex Williamson
2019-05-14 15:31             ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2019-05-28 20:57             ` Boris Fiuczynski
2019-05-28 20:57               ` [Qemu-devel] " Boris Fiuczynski
2019-05-29 14:08               ` Alex Williamson
2019-05-29 14:08                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2019-05-09  3:10         ` Yan Zhao
2019-05-09  3:10           ` [Qemu-devel] " Yan Zhao
2019-05-09  3:38           ` Alex Williamson
2019-05-09  3:38             ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2019-05-09  5:48             ` Yan Zhao
2019-05-09 15:38     ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-09 15:38       ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-05-09 15:48       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-09 15:48         ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-09 15:54         ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-09 15:54           ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-05-09 16:48           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-09 16:48             ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-10  9:08             ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-10  9:08               ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-05-10  9:36               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-10  9:36                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-10  9:48                 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-10  9:48                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-05-13  1:16                   ` Yan Zhao
2019-05-13  1:16                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Yan Zhao
2019-05-13 13:28                   ` Erik Skultety
2019-05-13 13:28                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Erik Skultety
2019-05-14  6:12                     ` Yan Zhao
2019-05-14  7:03                       ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-14  7:03                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-05-14  7:20                       ` Erik Skultety
2019-05-14  7:20                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Erik Skultety
2019-05-14  7:32                         ` Yan Zhao
2019-05-14  7:32                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Yan Zhao
2019-05-14  7:43                           ` Erik Skultety
2019-05-14  7:43                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Erik Skultety
2019-05-14  7:47                             ` Yan Zhao
2019-05-14  7:47                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Yan Zhao
2019-05-14  9:51                               ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-14  9:51                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-05-14 10:57                                 ` Erik Skultety
2019-05-14 10:57                                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Erik Skultety
2019-05-14 11:01                                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2019-05-14 11:01                                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-14 11:30                                   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-14 11:30                                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-05-14 15:01                             ` Alex Williamson
2019-05-14 15:01                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Alex Williamson
2019-05-16  1:00                               ` Yan Zhao
2019-05-16  1:00                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Yan Zhao
2019-05-06  1:51 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] drm/i915/gvt: export mdev device version to sysfs for Intel vGPU Yan Zhao
2019-05-06  1:51   ` [Qemu-devel] " Yan Zhao
2019-05-06  3:20   ` Zhenyu Wang
2019-05-06  3:20     ` [Qemu-devel] " Zhenyu Wang
2019-05-06  7:41     ` Zhenyu Wang
2019-05-06  7:41       ` [Qemu-devel] " Zhenyu Wang
2019-05-07  5:43       ` Yan Zhao
2019-05-07  5:43         ` [Qemu-devel] " Yan Zhao
2019-05-07  9:27   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-05-07  9:27     ` [Qemu-devel] " Cornelia Huck
2019-05-08 12:02     ` Yan Zhao
2019-05-08 12:02       ` [Qemu-devel] " Yan Zhao
2019-05-08 10:50   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-08 10:50     ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-05-08 12:10     ` Yan Zhao
2019-05-08 12:10       ` [Qemu-devel] " Yan Zhao

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