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From: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>
To: Tom Murphy <tmurphy@arista.com>
Cc: iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, murphyt7@tcd.ie,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Kukjin Kim <kgene@kernel.org>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Andy Gross <andy.gross@linaro.org>,
	David Brown <david.brown@linaro.org>,
	Matthias Brugger <matthias.bgg@gmail.com>,
	Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com>, Heiko Stuebner <heiko@sntech.de>,
	Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@de.ibm.com>,
	Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Hunter <jonathanh@nvidia.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-rockchip@lists.infradead.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/4] iommu/amd: Convert the AMD iommu driver to the dma-iommu api
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 12:51:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190603105158.GL12745@8bytes.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190506185207.31069-1-tmurphy@arista.com>

Hi Tom,

On Mon, May 06, 2019 at 07:52:02PM +0100, Tom Murphy wrote:
> Convert the AMD iommu driver to the dma-iommu api. Remove the iova
> handling and reserve region code from the AMD iommu driver.

Thank you for your work on this! I appreciate that much, but I am not
sure we are ready to make that move for the AMD and Intel IOMMU drivers
yet.

My main concern right now is that these changes will add a per-page
table lock into the fast-path for dma-mapping operations. There has been
much work in the past to remove all locking from these code-paths and
make it scalable on x86.

The dma-ops implementations in the x86 IOMMU drivers have the benefit
that they can call their page-table manipulation functions directly and
without locks, because they can make the necessary assumptions. The
IOMMU-API mapping/unmapping path can't make these assumptions because it
is also used for non-DMA-API use-cases.

So before we can move the AMD and Intel drivers to the generic DMA-API
implementation we need to solve this problem to not introduce new
scalability regressions.

Regards,

	Joerg


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From: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>
To: Tom Murphy <tmurphy@arista.com>
Cc: Heiko Stuebner <heiko@sntech.de>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	David Brown <david.brown@linaro.org>,
	Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
	Jonathan Hunter <jonathanh@nvidia.com>,
	linux-rockchip@lists.infradead.org, Kukjin Kim <kgene@kernel.org>,
	Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@de.ibm.com>,
	Andy Gross <andy.gross@linaro.org>,
	linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org,
	Matthias Brugger <matthias.bgg@gmail.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, murphyt7@tcd.ie,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/4] iommu/amd: Convert the AMD iommu driver to the dma-iommu api
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 12:51:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190603105158.GL12745@8bytes.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190506185207.31069-1-tmurphy@arista.com>

Hi Tom,

On Mon, May 06, 2019 at 07:52:02PM +0100, Tom Murphy wrote:
> Convert the AMD iommu driver to the dma-iommu api. Remove the iova
> handling and reserve region code from the AMD iommu driver.

Thank you for your work on this! I appreciate that much, but I am not
sure we are ready to make that move for the AMD and Intel IOMMU drivers
yet.

My main concern right now is that these changes will add a per-page
table lock into the fast-path for dma-mapping operations. There has been
much work in the past to remove all locking from these code-paths and
make it scalable on x86.

The dma-ops implementations in the x86 IOMMU drivers have the benefit
that they can call their page-table manipulation functions directly and
without locks, because they can make the necessary assumptions. The
IOMMU-API mapping/unmapping path can't make these assumptions because it
is also used for non-DMA-API use-cases.

So before we can move the AMD and Intel drivers to the generic DMA-API
implementation we need to solve this problem to not introduce new
scalability regressions.

Regards,

	Joerg

_______________________________________________
iommu mailing list
iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/iommu

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>
To: Tom Murphy <tmurphy@arista.com>
Cc: iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, murphyt7@tcd.ie,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Kukjin Kim <kgene@kernel.org>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Andy Gross <andy.gross@linaro.org>,
	David Brown <david.brown@linaro.org>,
	Matthias Brugger <matthias.bgg@gmail.com>,
	Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com>, Heiko Stuebner <heiko@sntech.de>,
	Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@de.ibm.com>,
	Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Hunter <jonathanh@nvidia.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/4] iommu/amd: Convert the AMD iommu driver to the dma-iommu api
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 12:51:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190603105158.GL12745@8bytes.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190506185207.31069-1-tmurphy@arista.com>

Hi Tom,

On Mon, May 06, 2019 at 07:52:02PM +0100, Tom Murphy wrote:
> Convert the AMD iommu driver to the dma-iommu api. Remove the iova
> handling and reserve region code from the AMD iommu driver.

Thank you for your work on this! I appreciate that much, but I am not
sure we are ready to make that move for the AMD and Intel IOMMU drivers
yet.

My main concern right now is that these changes will add a per-page
table lock into the fast-path for dma-mapping operations. There has been
much work in the past to remove all locking from these code-paths and
make it scalable on x86.

The dma-ops implementations in the x86 IOMMU drivers have the benefit
that they can call their page-table manipulation functions directly and
without locks, because they can make the necessary assumptions. The
IOMMU-API mapping/unmapping path can't make these assumptions because it
is also used for non-DMA-API use-cases.

So before we can move the AMD and Intel drivers to the generic DMA-API
implementation we need to solve this problem to not introduce new
scalability regressions.

Regards,

	Joerg

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>
To: Tom Murphy <tmurphy@arista.com>
Cc: Heiko Stuebner <heiko@sntech.de>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	David Brown <david.brown@linaro.org>,
	Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, linux-samsung-soc@vger.kernel.org,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
	Jonathan Hunter <jonathanh@nvidia.com>,
	linux-rockchip@lists.infradead.org, Kukjin Kim <kgene@kernel.org>,
	Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@de.ibm.com>,
	Andy Gross <andy.gross@linaro.org>,
	linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org,
	Matthias Brugger <matthias.bgg@gmail.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, murphyt7@tcd.ie,
	Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/4] iommu/amd: Convert the AMD iommu driver to the dma-iommu api
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 12:51:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190603105158.GL12745@8bytes.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190506185207.31069-1-tmurphy@arista.com>

Hi Tom,

On Mon, May 06, 2019 at 07:52:02PM +0100, Tom Murphy wrote:
> Convert the AMD iommu driver to the dma-iommu api. Remove the iova
> handling and reserve region code from the AMD iommu driver.

Thank you for your work on this! I appreciate that much, but I am not
sure we are ready to make that move for the AMD and Intel IOMMU drivers
yet.

My main concern right now is that these changes will add a per-page
table lock into the fast-path for dma-mapping operations. There has been
much work in the past to remove all locking from these code-paths and
make it scalable on x86.

The dma-ops implementations in the x86 IOMMU drivers have the benefit
that they can call their page-table manipulation functions directly and
without locks, because they can make the necessary assumptions. The
IOMMU-API mapping/unmapping path can't make these assumptions because it
is also used for non-DMA-API use-cases.

So before we can move the AMD and Intel drivers to the generic DMA-API
implementation we need to solve this problem to not introduce new
scalability regressions.

Regards,

	Joerg


_______________________________________________
linux-arm-kernel mailing list
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-06-03 10:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-06 18:52 [PATCH v3 0/4] iommu/amd: Convert the AMD iommu driver to the dma-iommu api Tom Murphy via iommu
2019-05-06 18:52 ` Tom Murphy
2019-05-06 18:52 ` Tom Murphy via iommu
2019-05-06 18:52 ` Tom Murphy
     [not found] ` <20190506185207.31069-1-tmurphy-nzgTgzXrdUbQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-06 18:52   ` [PATCH v3 1/4] iommu: Add gfp parameter to iommu_ops::map Tom Murphy via iommu
2019-05-06 18:52     ` Tom Murphy
2019-05-06 18:52     ` Tom Murphy via iommu
2019-05-06 18:52     ` Tom Murphy
2019-06-04 18:11     ` Robin Murphy
2019-06-04 18:11       ` Robin Murphy
2019-06-04 18:11       ` Robin Murphy
2019-06-04 18:11       ` Robin Murphy
2019-06-04 20:55       ` Tom Murphy
2019-06-04 20:55         ` Tom Murphy
2019-06-04 20:55         ` Tom Murphy
2019-06-04 20:55         ` Tom Murphy via iommu
2019-06-04 21:24       ` Rob Clark
2019-06-04 21:24         ` Rob Clark
2019-06-04 21:24         ` Rob Clark
2019-06-04 21:24         ` Rob Clark
2019-06-04 21:24         ` Rob Clark
2019-06-05  5:50     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-05  5:50       ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-05  5:50       ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-06-05  5:50       ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-05-06 18:52   ` [PATCH v3 3/4] iommu/dma-iommu: Use the dev->coherent_dma_mask Tom Murphy via iommu
2019-05-06 18:52     ` Tom Murphy
2019-05-06 18:52     ` Tom Murphy via iommu
2019-05-06 18:52     ` Tom Murphy
2019-05-06 18:52 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] iommu/dma-iommu: Handle deferred devices Tom Murphy
2019-05-06 18:52   ` Tom Murphy
2019-05-06 18:52   ` Tom Murphy via iommu
2019-05-06 18:52   ` Tom Murphy
2019-05-07  6:40   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-05-07  6:40     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-05-07  6:40     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-05-07  6:40     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-05-15 12:46     ` Tom Murphy
2019-05-15 12:46       ` Tom Murphy
2019-05-15 12:46       ` Tom Murphy
2019-05-15 12:46       ` Tom Murphy
2019-05-15 12:46       ` Tom Murphy via iommu
2019-05-06 18:52 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] iommu/amd: Convert AMD iommu driver to the dma-iommu api Tom Murphy
2019-05-06 18:52   ` Tom Murphy
2019-05-06 18:52   ` Tom Murphy via iommu
2019-05-06 18:52   ` Tom Murphy
2019-06-03 10:51 ` Joerg Roedel [this message]
2019-06-03 10:51   ` [PATCH v3 0/4] iommu/amd: Convert the " Joerg Roedel
2019-06-03 10:51   ` Joerg Roedel
2019-06-03 10:51   ` Joerg Roedel
2019-06-03 11:27   ` Tom Murphy
2019-06-03 11:27     ` Tom Murphy
2019-06-03 11:27     ` Tom Murphy
2019-06-03 11:27     ` Tom Murphy via iommu

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