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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
Cc: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	linux-fscrypt@vger.kernel.org,
	Gilad Ben-Yossef <gilad@benyossef.com>,
	device-mapper development <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	"open list:HARDWARE RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR CORE"
	<linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>, Milan Broz <gmazyland@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/6] crypto: essiv - create wrapper template for ESSIV generation
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 11:27:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190620182706.GA246122@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKv+Gu-OwzmoYR5uymSNghEVc9xbkkt5C8MxAYA48UE=yBgb5g@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 09:30:41AM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 03:14, Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 06:04:17PM -0700, Eric Biggers wrote:
> > >
> > > > +#define ESSIV_IV_SIZE              sizeof(u64)     // IV size of the outer algo
> > > > +#define MAX_INNER_IV_SIZE  16              // max IV size of inner algo
> > >
> > > Why does the outer algorithm declare a smaller IV size?  Shouldn't it just be
> > > the same as the inner algorithm's?
> >
> > In general we allow outer algorithms to have distinct IV sizes
> > compared to the inner algorithm.  For example, rfc4106 has a
> > different IV size compared to gcm.
> >
> > In this case, the outer IV size is the block number so that's
> > presumably why 64 bits is sufficient.  Do you forsee a case where
> > we need 128-bit block numbers?
> >
> 
> Indeed, the whole point of this template is that it turns a 64-bit
> sector number into a n-bit IV, where n equals the block size of the
> essiv cipher, and its min/max keysize covers the digest size of the
> shash.
> 
> I don't think it makes sense to generalize this further, and if I
> understand the feedback from Herbert and Gilad correctly, it would
> even be better to define the input IV as a LE 64-bit counter
> explicitly, so we can auto increment it between sectors.
> 

I was understanding ESSIV at a more abstract level, where you pass in some IV
(which may or may not contain a sector number of some particular length and
endianness) and it encrypts it.

I see that both fscrypt and dm-crypt use the convention of a __le64 sector
number though, so it's probably reasonable to define the IV to be that.  A brief
comment explaining this might be helpful, though.

- Eric

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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
Cc: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	"open list:HARDWARE RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR CORE" 
	<linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	device-mapper development <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	linux-fscrypt@vger.kernel.org,
	Gilad Ben-Yossef <gilad@benyossef.com>,
	Milan Broz <gmazyland@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/6] crypto: essiv - create wrapper template for ESSIV generation
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 11:27:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190620182706.GA246122@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKv+Gu-OwzmoYR5uymSNghEVc9xbkkt5C8MxAYA48UE=yBgb5g@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 09:30:41AM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 03:14, Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 06:04:17PM -0700, Eric Biggers wrote:
> > >
> > > > +#define ESSIV_IV_SIZE              sizeof(u64)     // IV size of the outer algo
> > > > +#define MAX_INNER_IV_SIZE  16              // max IV size of inner algo
> > >
> > > Why does the outer algorithm declare a smaller IV size?  Shouldn't it just be
> > > the same as the inner algorithm's?
> >
> > In general we allow outer algorithms to have distinct IV sizes
> > compared to the inner algorithm.  For example, rfc4106 has a
> > different IV size compared to gcm.
> >
> > In this case, the outer IV size is the block number so that's
> > presumably why 64 bits is sufficient.  Do you forsee a case where
> > we need 128-bit block numbers?
> >
> 
> Indeed, the whole point of this template is that it turns a 64-bit
> sector number into a n-bit IV, where n equals the block size of the
> essiv cipher, and its min/max keysize covers the digest size of the
> shash.
> 
> I don't think it makes sense to generalize this further, and if I
> understand the feedback from Herbert and Gilad correctly, it would
> even be better to define the input IV as a LE 64-bit counter
> explicitly, so we can auto increment it between sectors.
> 

I was understanding ESSIV at a more abstract level, where you pass in some IV
(which may or may not contain a sector number of some particular length and
endianness) and it encrypts it.

I see that both fscrypt and dm-crypt use the convention of a __le64 sector
number though, so it's probably reasonable to define the IV to be that.  A brief
comment explaining this might be helpful, though.

- Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-06-20 18:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-19 16:29 [PATCH v3 0/6] crypto: switch to crypto API for ESSIV generation Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-19 16:29 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-19 16:29 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] crypto: essiv - create wrapper template " Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-19 16:29   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-20  1:04   ` Eric Biggers
2019-06-20  1:04     ` Eric Biggers
2019-06-20  1:13     ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-20  1:13       ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-20  1:17       ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-20  1:17         ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-20  7:30       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-20  7:30         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-20 12:52         ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-20 12:52           ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-20 12:53         ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-20 12:53           ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-20 13:02           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-20 13:02             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-20 13:35             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-20 13:35               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-20 13:40             ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-20 13:40               ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-20 13:53               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-20 13:53                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-21  1:06                 ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-21  1:06                   ` Herbert Xu
2019-06-21  5:39                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-21  5:39                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-21  6:44               ` Milan Broz
2019-06-21  6:44                 ` Milan Broz
2019-06-20 18:27         ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2019-06-20 18:27           ` Eric Biggers
2019-06-19 16:29 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] fs: crypto: invoke crypto API for ESSIV handling Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-19 16:29   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-19 22:45   ` Eric Biggers
2019-06-19 22:45     ` Eric Biggers
2019-06-19 16:29 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] md: dm-crypt: infer ESSIV block cipher from cipher string directly Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-19 16:29   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-19 16:29 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] md: dm-crypt: switch to ESSIV crypto API template Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-19 16:29   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-19 16:29 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] crypto: essiv - add test vector for essiv(cbc(aes), aes, sha256) Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-19 16:29   ` [PATCH v3 5/6] crypto: essiv - add test vector for essiv(cbc(aes),aes,sha256) Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-19 16:29 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] crypto: arm64/aes - implement accelerated ESSIV/CBC mode Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-19 16:29   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-19 22:37   ` Eric Biggers
2019-06-19 22:37     ` Eric Biggers
2019-06-19 22:43     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-19 22:43       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-20 11:29     ` Milan Broz
2019-06-20 11:29       ` Milan Broz
2019-06-26  4:32   ` Eric Biggers
2019-06-26  4:32     ` Eric Biggers
2019-06-20  7:07 ` [PATCH v3 0/6] crypto: switch to crypto API for ESSIV generation Gilad Ben-Yossef
2019-06-20  7:07   ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2019-06-20 11:22 ` Milan Broz
2019-06-20 11:22   ` Milan Broz
2019-06-20 11:54   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-20 11:54     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-20 12:09     ` Milan Broz
2019-06-20 12:09       ` Milan Broz
2019-06-20 13:14       ` Milan Broz
2019-06-20 13:14         ` Milan Broz
2019-06-20 13:52         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-20 13:52           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-21  7:01           ` Milan Broz
2019-06-21  7:01             ` Milan Broz
2019-06-21  7:06             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-21  7:06               ` [dm-devel] " Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-21  7:06               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-21  7:37               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-06-21  7:37                 ` Ard Biesheuvel

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